
Hellenic Telecommunications Organization S.A. / Earnings Calls / May 14, 2025
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. I am Yota, your Chorus Call operator. Welcome and thank you for joining the OTE conference call and live webcast to present and discuss the First Quarter 2025 Financial Results. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Kostas Nebis, CEO, OTE Group; Mr. Babis Mazarakis, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Panayiotis Gabrielides, Chief Marketing Officer, Consumer Segment, OTE Group; and Mr. Evrikos Sarsentis, Head of IR and M&A. Mr. Nebis, you may now proceed.
Kostas NebisThank you and good morning or good afternoon to all of you. Thank you for joining us today for OTE’s first quarter results for 2025. I’m pleased to report that we have made a solid start to the year 2025. Our first quarter results reflect the positive momentum we have been building as our strategy unfolds, and we focus on accelerating our growth. In our home market in Greece, both revenues and EBITDA, both showed increases year-over-year with positive contribution across our core segments
Mobile, TV, Broadband and ICT. We are particularly encouraged by the sustained momentum in our Mobile business. We continue to strengthen our market leadership, supported by solid trends in service revenues and postpaid customer growth. Our prepaid customers offer a substantial pool that we can grow from. At the same time, our efforts to enhance the prepaid offering are supporting the ARPU and long-term growth in the Mobile business. In our Fixed Retail business, there are encouraging signs of stabilization this quarter after some period of decline. This improvement is fueled by strong adoption of fiber-to-the-home services, supported by attractive fiber coupons available in the market. Continued investment in FTTH infrastructure remains central to our strategy, enabling ultra-fast, reliable broadband. Our newly launched fixed wireless services is expected to complement our broadband offering and support our performance in the coming months. It is important to be the first mover in high-speed broadband, and we are dedicating resources towards this direction that will secure our long-term performance. At the same time, our ICT segment posted another strong quarter on the back of our system solution business, supporting our B2B segment and the digital transformation of Greece’s economy and public services. Our TV offering also delivered another strong quarter, achieving double-digit growth, supported by our content partnership with Nova that drive both customer numbers and ARPU. This enriched offering continues to meet customer demand, while we look forward to the full implementation of the antipiracy legislation approved earlier this year. Once in effect, this important regulatory step is expected to support market transition towards legitimate services, benefiting both the industry and reinforcing OTE’s position. Technological innovation remains a core pillar of our strategy. We continue to invest significantly in FTTH and 5G networks to deliver high-speed connectivity across the country. On the 5G front, we continue to advance our leadership by investing in 5G plus with Cosmote operating the only commercially available 5G stand-alone network in Greece. Earlier this year, Greece was recognized as the leading country in Europe with the highest 5G stand-alone download speed, a remarkable achievement that marks a significant step towards our vision to become Europe’s leading digital telco, elevating Greece to the forefront of digitization in Europe. In FTTH, we remain on track to pass 2.1 million homes by the end of this year, while network utilization continues to grow steadily, reflecting the strong customer demand, both on the retail and wholesale fronts on the back of the wholesale partnership agreements with the key players in the market. These investments further solidify our network leadership, drive exceptional user experiences and enhance customer loyalty, laying a strong foundation for long-term growth. Looking ahead, we reiterate our ambitious 2025 targets and remain focused on leveraging our core strengths to drive customer experience and sustainable value creation. With our strategic initiatives in place, we are taking decisive steps towards delivering long-term benefits for our customers, our people and all our stakeholders. Before I hand over to Babis for a detailed review of our first quarter performance, I would like to say a few words on our new brand identity, Cosmote Telecom, a major milestone that marks the beginning of an exciting new chapter for our company. By introducing the Telecom Global brand next to Cosmote, we reinforce our position within a leading international group, enhancing our scale, visibility and competitive edge in the Greek market. This strategic move strengthens our market presence, reinforces our commitment to innovation and creates added value to our customers, our people and, of course, all our stakeholders. Last point from my side and before Babis comes in, I would like to inform you regarding the disposal process of Telekom Mobile in Romania. Today, we have had another important step in the approval process since the Romanian Competition Authority published for consultation, the remedies offered by Vodafone and Digi in the context of the transaction. Thank you for now. And Babis, the floor is yours.
Babis MazarakisThank you, Kostas, and welcome to everyone on the call from me as well. Picking up the last point of Kostas, the Romania – before moving to the quarterly review, let me say a few words for the same process, which is an issue that has been a headwind for several quarters, and I know has been a black spot in our case. The disposal of TKRM progresses according to the projected time line. Since this morning, the Romanian Competition Council published for presentation the commitments, which were offered by the buyers, and these commitments address the concerns that were expressed by the Competition Council. Therefore, this consultation will run for 3 weeks until June 2. And thereafter, we expect the council to convene and issue the final decision, which most likely will pave the way to complete the disposal in the next couple of months. Now turning on our quarterly figures. On a group level, revenues remained relatively stable as growth in Greece was almost offset by ongoing pressure in Romanian operations. Adjusted EBITDA after leases was up 1%, supported though by a solid 1.8% growth in Greek operations. Specifically for Greece, total revenues increased by 0.8% in the quarter, driven by continued growth across Mobile, TV, Broadband, ICT services, which more than offset the continuing drop in wholesale revenues, while on the EBITDA front, we once again achieved solid growth of 1%, as I mentioned, for the last quarter. Adjusting for the impact of the sale of Otesat last year, EBITDA growth would have been 1.9%, pretty close to our guidance for the whole year. [Technical Difficulty]
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Babis MazarakisHello, this is Babis. I think I need to reiterate a little bit what I was saying in the past few minutes due to technical problem. Apologies for that. So let me start again from the beginning. So as Kostas mentioned in his last point, after welcoming all of you in this call this afternoon, I would like to say a few things about also Romania. So the disposal of TKRM progresses according to the projected time plan. Since this morning, the Romanian Competition Council published for consultation the commitments offered by the buyers. Those commitments addressed the concerns that were expressed by the Competition Council. Therefore, the new process now is that this consultation will run for 3 weeks until June 2. And thereafter, we expect the council to issue the final decision, paving hopefully the way to complete the disposal in the next couple of months. Now turning to our quarterly figures. On a group level, revenues remained relatively stable as growth in Greece were almost offset by ongoing pressure in Romania. Adjusted EBITDA after leases was up 1% for the total OTE Group, supported though by a solid 1.8% growth in Greek operations. Specifically for Greece, total revenues increased by 0.8% in the quarter, driven by continued growth across Mobile, TV, Broadband and ICT services, which more than offset the continuing drop in wholesale revenues, while on the EBITDA front, we once again achieved solid growth of 1%, as I mentioned. If we adjust the impact for the sale of Otesat last year, EBITDA growth would have been 1.9%, pretty close to our guidance of 2% for the whole year. Therefore, we continue to sequentially accelerate already achieving the strongest growth since end of 2022. It is a positive indicator that we are fully on track to reach our annual growth rates. Retail Fixed services revenues were nearly stable in the quarter, while including – if we include the data communication stream, Retail Fixed showed a slight increase of 0.2%. This indicates clear signs of an improving trend and highlights the positive direction for our fixed business. The government coupons, along with continued strength in TV, our fixed wireless access offering and the continuous expansion of our fiber-to-the-home network remain critical enablers of our future growth. Particularly our TV business delivered another strong quarter with revenues achieving double-digit growth at 14%, fueled by the full impact of the sports content agreement. Our customer base increased by 7%, with a net gain of 8,000 new customers during the quarter. Moving now into our fiber-to-the-home service, we once again delivered solid customer additions at 36,000, bringing our total FTTH base to 430,000, and this represents a 50% year-on-year jump. Our retail FTTH customers account for 18% of our overall broadband base, and this compares to just 12% a year ago, an increase that combined with the wholesale uptake on our infrastructure supports evidently the utilization of our network. Regarding the coupons in the market and after certain initial delays, we are now seeing a steady uptake driving faster customer migration. As of early this month, we had utilized over 37,000 vouchers connections. Supported by the ongoing expansion of our FTTH network and our wholesale agreements in place, our infrastructure is experiencing higher level of utilization. In the quarter, we reached 29% utilization rate, an increase of 7 percentage points year-on-year. During the quarter, we passed over 56,000 new homes to a total of 1.8 million, and we remain fully on track to reach our target of 2.1 million homes by the end of 2025. The remaining part of fixed revenues, thus other revenues were up 12% this quarter with revenues from System Solutions, our ICT business, recording a robust growth of 18%. Building on this momentum, we expect a double-digit upward trajectory to continue throughout the year. Now wholesale. Revenues in Wholesale were down nearly 5% in the quarter due to lower margin international transit traffic revenues, while the national wholesale streams was impacted as anticipated and in-line with last year’s trends, mainly by competitors’ ongoing network build-outs. However, our existing wholesale agreements provide for increased wholesale volume from competition that allow us to partially mitigate the downside and further increase the utilization rate of our infrastructure. A word about the very low margin international traffic – the transit traffic revenues. Let me flag here that some of this will be gradually phased out over the course of the year, primarily related to voice traffic. As a rough indication, approximately €100 million will be gradually stripped out. However, there is a minimum impact, if any, on our profitability due to the very low margin of this business. This will provide a more stable comparison base once out of the way. Going back now to our mobile operations. We continue to see sustained momentum with service revenues maintaining the positive trajectory, increasing by 1.2% in the quarter. Towards the end of the first quarter, we introduced new pricing initiatives in the prepaid segment with the introduction of €15 top-up instead of €13 across our physical channels. This move is expected to enhance further ARPU while also supporting the ongoing successful migration from prepaid to postpaid plans. Our postpaid base continues to grow, recording a 6% decrease in the first quarter with 43,000 positive net additions, driven by both conversion from prepaid and customer acquisition. We continue to capitalize on our leadership in network with our 5G and 5G plus coverage reaching over 90% and 70%, respectively. Data usage, which was once more up, reaching 15.8 gigabytes per user per month, representing a 32% year-on-year increase. Let’s now move to our operating expenses, which if we exclude depreciation and amortization and the one-offs in Greece, this declined by €2.2 million in the quarter despite higher revenues as we remain focused on disciplined cost management across multiple areas. As already communicated in the past, we experienced a reduction in energy. And at the same time, we continue to benefit on the personnel front from our voluntary exit schemes. While we are increasing spending in strategic areas and our commercial activities, our overall indirect costs declined by 1.6% in the quarter. As a result, adjusted EBITDA after leases in Greece increased by 1.8% in the quarter, continuing the solid trends of previous quarter and also maintaining a strong margin of 40.2%. Obviously, our guidance has been reiterated, which means that we are on track to reach a growth of around 2% in Greece for the full year of 2025. A few words about the operations in Romania. Total revenues were down 8% in the quarter, reaching €61 million. This drop was primarily driven by ongoing pressure in postpaid segment, coupled with a decrease in handset revenues. Our operations in Romania continue to face headwinds with the competitive landscape, particularly in the postpaid segment to be densified. Telekom Romania Mobile’s adjusted EBITDA after leases was mainly impacted by ongoing top line pressure along with effect from the new tax on revenues introduced in Q2 of 2022. Let’s now have a look at the rest of the group items. Depreciation was down by 4.3% in the quarter, primarily driven by lower amortization in Greece as a result of the reduced UEFA sports rights’ prices following the renewal of our contract. Finally, a few words on the cash flow statement. Adjusted CapEx was up nearly 7% in the quarter, largely reflecting investments for the fiber-to-the-home ongoing rollout and higher CapEx related to TV sports content. Free cash flow after leases came in €97 million for the quarter. And while we benefited from lower income tax payments, thanks to certain tax refunds, this was offset by increased working capital requirements, primarily driven by a mix of timing and purely temporary effects, mainly related to the increased weight of ICT in our revenues, which obviously we expect to normalize over the course of the year. On the liability side, the comparison is impacted by a lower base last year due to different time of settlements. So as already released today, we reiterate our guidance for the free cash flow and the CapEx for the year, CapEx between €610 million to €620 million, and our free cash flow target remains intact and stable at €460 million for the year. And with that, operator, we are now available to provide any further clarification through questions. Thank you.
Operator[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of [indiscernible] with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Unidentified AnalystHi, good morning, everyone. My first question is on Greece Mobile performance. So I was wondering if you have seen any change in mobile competitive intensity in Greece? You have also implemented some price increases on prepaid recently. So how sizable are those in percentage terms? And do you see scope to further increase mobile prices this year? And lastly, on Mobile, how are you thinking about a potential new MVNO entrants in the Greek market? And just one more question on the guidance. I’m just wondering, do you see any risks to your almost 2% EBITDA growth guidance in Greece? And what would be kind of key upside and downside risks? Thank you.
Kostas NebisSo, this is Kostas speaking. Let me try to answer your question. So starting from the mobile service revenue, it is true that we see an ongoing positive development in mobile service revenue, mainly as a result of our pre to post migrations. We have had a very, very strong quarter with net adds even above the forecast – sorry, above the Q4 numbers, so 43,000 [indiscernible]. This to a great extent, is also associated with the fact that we have increased the minimum top-up in prepaid in the market, aiming to shift our customers. This was done in the physical channels. The intention behind this one is to shift our customers towards the digital channels. But for the ones who would still come to the physical channels to make the transition from pre to post easier, and this is clearly paying off. So we see a combination of both positive development on the prepaid ARPU side as a result of the minimum top-up denomination moving from €13 to €15 but we see also increasing inflows towards postpaid. The combination of this is making us feel far more optimistic about the following quarters during the course of the year when it comes to mobile service revenue development. This is on the overall service revenue of Mobile. Now when it comes to pricing, I mean, our strategy has been consistent. We are constantly monitoring the developments of the market. So our intention is to always offer value for money service to our customers and to justify our position in the market with our network superiority. So we have just recently made this prepaid top-up change. So nothing to comment beyond that at this point in time, we are pleased with how customers are developing and us offering more for more services, both in prepaid as well as towards postpaid once they migrate. And with regards to your question on MVNO, I mean, we had one MVNO launched recently in the market. It is a relatively small energy company called Volton. They introduced an MVNO running on top of Vodafone’s network under the name of Orizon. I mean it is relatively small in terms of scale of operators. So we have not seen a lot of successful MVNO attempts in the Greek market. Having said that, we always monitor and we rely on our comprehensive portfolio of services in order to better defend our position in the market. And if I got you right, with regards to your question about our EBITDA guidance of 2%, we feel firm that this is something we are going to deliver also justified by the performance in Q1.
Unidentified AnalystGreat. Thank you very much.
OperatorThe next question comes from the line of Draziotis Stamatios with Eurobank Equities. Please go ahead.
Stamatios DraziotisYes, hello. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I have a few, and maybe we can address each question separately for clarity. So first one relates to Romania. You mentioned in your release that if Romania concludes successfully, and there was clearly a positive step, as you said this morning, that the proposed amount for shareholder remuneration will be adjusted accordingly to reflect the real impact on OTE cash flow. So I mean, what does this mean exactly? And what should investors expect for ‘26? And I guess my question also relates to how this might be affected by potential spectrum outlays that you face in the next couple of years? Thank you.
Babis MazarakisYes. Yes, as we have guided in the previous – also in the previous call – previous quarter, in case that the sale is concluded in the next couple of months as we expect based on the developments today, then obviously, we would calculate exactly what is the additional benefit versus the free cash flow that guidance that we have issued. And therefore, we will communicate accordingly the distribution of that extra amount. So that’s consistent with what we said so far because, again, consistent with what we said so far is that the current target of €460 million had assumed that the Romania would be operating for the full year. So this is the essence of the development. And what happened today, just maybe preempting another question is that there is – the timetable we are going through this consultation period that was launched today. And this marks another tick in the long box of steps that we have to go through in order to conclude the transaction. So, that’s I think for the biggest part of your question, unless you have any other clarification, maybe we can move to your next point.
Stamatios DraziotisYes. Just to make this very simple. So, let’s assume that the disposal moves fast and you end up with a cash burn of €50 million rather than €70 million. Do you intend to distribute this €20 million swing in essence of free cash flow to shareholders?
Babis MazarakisYes, that was the intention. But without mentioning numbers because everything depends on the timing and the specific course of the developments, but the intention is that one. Now, you also mentioned whether this is linked to spectrum payments. Spectrum is due in 2027. So, it doesn’t play any role for a decision this year. It’s crystal clear that whatever upside there is, it will be distributed back to the shareholders.
Stamatios DraziotisOkay. Great. And the second question has to do with the broadband trends. I am just wondering of fixed broadband lines were slightly down in Q1. Do you believe this just signals market saturation, or were there the temporary factors like the coupon timing, which you have been talking about impacting Q1? And again, speaking about the coupon, how has the uptake evolved more recently? And how should we think about Q2 trends for fixed broadband? Do you think there can be a meaningful inflection in fixed retail fixed service revenues from Q2 onwards, or is this really a theme for the second half?
Kostas NebisLet me take this one, Stamatios, and I will start with the coupons. It is true that the coupons has been something that caused a lot of procedural issues in the beginning until we managed to get it right. Thanks God. We have managed to get both coupons right. For me, they are both important, both the demand coupon towards the customers, but also the smart readiness coupon towards the infrastructure, the CapEx costs. Having said that, there were some implications in the first couple of months, so we had some procedural issues to address that ate up a lot of our salespeople time, which came at a cost. So, we had a relatively slower start in the beginning of the year when it comes to the broadband net adds to a certain extent, also FTTH, which we managed to recover. So, the good news is that we see broadband net adds turning back to the positive territory starting from March, but also in April and as we speak year-to-date, May. So, we are really confident that the net add performance in the remaining of the year will be clearly on the positive side. Don’t forget that we have also introduced in the middle of Q1 the fixed wireless access service, which so far has done extremely well in the Greece market. In order to address customers, we do not have access to fiber yet and are relying on poor copper infrastructure. So, the combination of us fixing some of the procedural issues when it comes to making the most out of the coupons and the FWA introduction has helped us a lot to turn around the trends in the last couple of months, and we are optimistic about what we expect until the end of this year.
Stamatios DraziotisThat’s fantastic. And just another – well, I would say, housekeeping question on the P&L, on the tax rate, which looks unusually low, could you clarify the drivers behind this? Was it driven by one-off factors? And the same goes for the tax receipts in the cash flow statement. If you could elaborate on what these relate to, please? Thank you.
Babis MazarakisYes. Thank you for the question. The tax rate each quarter or in many quarters is usually influenced by some one-off moves that are happening. What happened in Q1 was a return from the state of roughly about €10 million in the P&L that lowered temporarily. Of course, the effective tax rate, so it’s about 19% versus being around 22%, 23%, which is the normal one. So, this is the – what stands in the P&L. And obviously, the tax returns in the cash flow reflect accordingly the movements in our tax give and take with the state.
Stamatios DraziotisGreat. Thank you so much.
Kostas NebisIf I could add something, sorry, going back to the coupon topic, I think Babis commented already on the fact that we have already generated on the demand side towards the consumers roughly 40,000 coupons already. What is also important, I mean I know that has been a popular question over the last few calls is that we have managed to get up to a pace of roughly 10,000 coupons per month, which is going to lead us to 100,000-ish by the end of the year, which is very much in line with our expectations for year 2025. This is on the demand side. On the Smart Readiness coupons, the in-building wiring coupons, there, we have also managed to process more than 10,000 coupons already. And the important thing is that we have a monthly pace, which is really taking us to a number which we hope will land around 40,000, so just some further insights on the development of two very important levers, both for the top line as well as for us delivering our FTTH plan on our communicated CapEx.
Stamatios DraziotisThank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you.
OperatorThe next question comes from the line of Karidis John with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
John KaridisThank you. Good afternoon to you. I have two questions first, if I may, please. I mean firstly, a very basic question. Might you know when the antipiracy law will be implemented in full, for example, before or after the summer in time for the start of the football season or not? And then the second substantive question, I hope, has to do with competition from Inalan, but also PPC are promising big news in the second half of this year. So, I would really like to understand how effective your bundling strategy has been to-date? So, what proportion of your broadband customers take a second service, what proportion take a third service, and if I were one of those customers, what would I lose if I give that back to you and take broadband from a competitor and mobile from someone else?
Kostas NebisOkay. Let me take the first question. First of all, as far as the antipiracy law, the law is already adopted. What we are waiting is for a ministerial decision and a joint ministerial decision to be also signed. My guesstimate would be that we should have it before the summer holidays in Greece, which is normally in August. So, fingers crossed. It is a formality, but yes, we have to go through this step. Now, as far as your question on competition is concerned, let me start with – you brought up two competitors. One is PPC and the other one is Inalan. I mean PPC so far, what we have seen is just some small scale, I would say, efforts to boost our retail broadband-only products in the market without voice services at least yet through some telesales and door-to-door activities. But I mean they are addressing a small part of our customer base and I have to be honest, we have not seen yet any effects on our customer base. So, it’s difficult for me to assess at this point in time before we see how the portfolio kind of goes into the market. As far as Inalan, we are also monitoring the development on the Inalan front. They have been doing some FTTH rollout here and there. They are also growing their base to a certain extent, but I mean they are a broadband-only operator with some base gains, I would not consider them material or something that would make us worry. What is important for both competitors is that you understand we have a far more comprehensive portfolio of services, cutting across fixed, mobile, pay TV, a number of value-added services that we have, in the meantime, developed. So, we feel strong enough in order to compete by leveraging on this portfolio as well as the expertise that we have built across all these years in the different verticals. Now, to address also your question, I mean roughly 70% of our base is what we call a consolidated base through the different fixed mobile convergent packages, and we are still growing this. So, we feel that we have what it takes in order to effectively bounce off any competitor while trying to get a bit of new market.
John KaridisThank you. And if I were part of that 70% and I chose to buy my services separately, what sort of financial hit would I take approximately?
Kostas NebisIt’s not only the financial hit. It is a combination of a number of different levers. It’s difficult to be quantified or be answered in one number, a number of things which are connected and keeping the customers with us for many years now. I mean it’s not only PPC or Inalan, any of the other operators could easily go and address our customers selling one-leg product. But apparently, based on the fact that we have managed to keep 70% of our customers integrated, it means that we have the strength and the capabilities to do so.
John KaridisFair enough. Thank you very much.
Operator[Operator Instructions] Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the conference over to management for any closing comments. Thank you.
Kostas NebisOkay. Nothing to add from my side other than thanking you for your attention, your questions and your interest in OTE. And we are clearly looking forward to our next discussion early August this time for our half year results. Have a nice day.
OperatorLadies and gentlemen, the conference has now concluded, and you may disconnect your telephones. Thank you for calling and have a good evening.