NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust / Earnings Calls / August 13, 2021

    Operator

    Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust Second Quarter 2021 Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. . This call is being recorded today, Friday, August 13, 2021. And I would now like to turn the conference over to Paul Dalla Lana, CEO of NorthWest Healthcare Properties REIT. Please go ahead, sir.

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. I appreciate you joining us today. We're joined today by Shailen Chande, the REIT's Chief Financial Officer; and Peter Riggin, the REIT's Chief Administrative Officer. Together, we are pleased to share with you our results from the second quarter of 2021. First, I'd like to point out that during today's call, we may make forward-looking statements as defined under Canadian securities law. While such forward-looking statements reflect management's expectations regarding our business plans and future results, they are necessarily based on assumptions that are subject to uncertainties and risks, which could cause actual results to differ materially. We direct all of you to the risk factors outlined in our public filings. Operationally, the REIT is performing defensively and performing well as expected with a portfolio that is 97% occupied by a diversified tenant roster of hospital, health care service, and life science research tenants. The majority of which are directly or indirectly funded publicly by their respective governments. In Q2, the REIT advanced a number of its strategic priorities, including its value creation initiatives in the UK to position the portfolio for a planned joint venture, advancing its ambulatory care and hospital precinct development strategies and achieving credit metrics consistent with an investment grade issuer. The acquisition of Aspen Healthcare for approximately $38 million was a major step for the REIT in the quarter. Aspen is a hospital operator of 4 of the REIT's UK investment properties. As a result of the transaction, the REIT acquired two new high quality assets in Claremont Private Hospital and The Edinburgh Clinic, as well as control over the operations in 8 hospitals located throughout the UK. The REIT has concurrently entered into agreements to sell these hospital operations to leading UK hospital operators, which are expected to close later this year. As a result of the Aspen acquisition and the on sale process, the REIT has expanded its UK platform and further diversified its tenant base with a much stronger credit profile. In combination with our opportunistic market entry into the UK in early 2020, the REIT expects to generate substantial value for unitholders, which are currently estimated to have more than $200 million above its cost base. As the REIT executes on the final stages of its UK value creation initiatives, its focus is now shifting to executing on its previously announced $1.7 billion UK JV initiative, which it expects to be completed later this year or early 2022. In Q2 and subsequent to quarter end, the REIT completed $321 million of accretive normal course acquisitions and $7 million of dispositions, significantly expanding its assets under management to $8.3 billion, an improvement of over 21% year-over-year. The REIT continues to progress earnings and NAV accretive development projects with a pipeline of $320 million currently under construction and initial $27 million of approved projects with expected completion dates between Q4 '21 and Q4 '23. Moreover, in this moment of an intense focus on the healthcare industry, the REIT has been leveraging its relationships with its health care operators and capital partners to participate in what NorthWest views as a key secular trend of decanting services out of hospitals. To that end, NorthWest is focused on its ambulatory care and hospital precinct development strategies, and has successfully built a longer-term development pipeline of over $1 billion. With regards to Australian Unity, based on frustrating transactions completed by Australian Unity indexes in June and ongoing litigation around these matters to have them on unwound, the REIT withdrew its previously announced proposal to acquire all of the units of Australian Unity Healthcare Property Trust at a price of A$2.70 per wholesale unit. Separately, the REIT acquired an additional interest through its premium cash offer of A$2.70 per unit, which now takes the RIET's holdings up to 17.3%, making it the largest unitholder in Australian Unity. The REIT is actively considering next steps with regards to its investments in this entity. Another key priority advance during the quarter was the continued debt optimization with a goal of achieving investment grade credit metrics. In the quarter the REIT recompleted $201 million equity raise and post quarter close a further $25 million private placement to NorthWest Value Partners on the same terms. Net proceeds of the issuance were deployed for the previous announced acquisition of Dutch medical office buildings and the repayment of higher cost debt. In May, $61 million of the $75 million Series E convertible debentures were converted into equity with the balance redeemed with existing liquidity. As a result of all of these initiatives, the REIT’s proportional leverage declined 110 basis points quarter-over-quarter to 49.6%. The REIT's balance sheet continues to represent organic deleveraging opportunities through the expected conversion of $80.5 million in-the-money Series F debentures maturing in December 31, 2021, which have a conversion price of $12.80 per unit. Pro forma completion of a private placement, full conversion of Series F debentures to equity, completion of the UK portfolio repositioning and seeding of the planned UK JV, The REIT’s pro forma consolidated and proportional leverage would further decline by approximately 860 basis points and 920 basis points, respectively. ESG initiatives also remain a key strategic priority with the REIT being committed to issuing its first ESG report in 2021. The REIT believes that ESG issues have played an important role in defining its past and will continue to do so in the future. Our global cross-functional team led by the REIT’s Chief Administrative Officer is advancing this important aspect of its business, including completing its inaugural submission to GRESB, a leading real estate benchmarking provider. For the quarter, our results are in line with our expectations, with annualized quarterly adjusted funds from operations of $0.92 per unit on a normalized basis, implying a payout ratio of 87%. Earnings accretion from recent investment activity and financing activity was as expected, although the appreciation of the Canadian dollar over the past year relative to the REIT's average foreign currency exposure was a slight drag on earnings. On a constant currency basis AFFO per unit was up approximately 9% year-on-year which is particularly notable in the context of the REIT’s deleveraging activity. In the context of a lower Canadian interest rate environment, we expect FX headwinds may begin to ease and then unwind over the balance of 2021 providing a further tailwind to the REIT’s future earnings. Additionally, net asset value was up 6.3% to $14 per unit this year, driven primarily by strong revaluation gains in Australia and a rebounding Brazilian real. With significant demand for long leased inflation indexed assets, and increasing interest in healthcare real estate in particular, we see near-term potential for a continued cap rate compression across our markets, leading to meaningful valuation increases in the near term. Combined with our UK value creation initiatives, expansion of the global asset management platform and a growing development pipeline, we see the potential for further $2 per unit in NAV increase in the short to medium term. Before turning to operational results from the quarter, I wanted to briefly speak of some of the trends we're seeing across each of our global markets. Investment activity is at all-time highs, with institutional investors jockeying to rectify limited or underweight positions in healthcare real estate. More than that, we continue to see a significant capital formation around healthcare real estate and premium valuations being ascribed to these platforms across Australia, Europe and the U.S. Collectively, these macro themes are driving pricing in our sector, which we are beginning to see high-quality assets in core markets trading into low 4% range. All that to say, but while we have already booked substantial fair value gains in our Australia and New Zealand, we continue to see significant scope for further cap rate compression across our portfolio. Combined with several value-add initiatives focused on portfolio repositioning and development strategies, we expect to continue to deliver meaningful NAV growth in the near-term. Operationally, our results, which are derived from a 190 property, $8.3 billion healthcare infrastructure-like portfolio, tenanted by leading operators on long-term inflation index leases, was on plan. The inherent strength of this portfolio is reflected in the REIT's operating results with the year-over-year constant currency cash recurring SPNOI growth of 2.9%. Again, largely driven by contractual rent indexation and underpinned by 97% occupancy and a weighted average lease term of more than 14 years. Since three months ended June 30, 2021 the REIT collected just under 99% of its rent, which is 20 basis points up from the last quarter. In all regards, a highly defensive portfolio. Segmentally, I note the following

    In Brazil, we are on plan with steady 100% occupancy, and a continued strong year-over-year sourced currency SPNOI growth of 4%. Operationally, the REIT’s major tenant Rede D'or continues to deliver exceptionally strong results and expand its business, thereby creating potential opportunities for future partnerships with the REIT. REIT is also focused on getting traction with additional high-quality operators in Brazil and sees a very constructive market currently. Canada performed satisfactorily during the quarter with stable portfolio occupancy of 92% and adjusted year-over-year sourced currency SPNOI decline of approximately 1%, mainly driven by higher payroll related costs. Leasing activity during the quarter was also involved 58,000 square feet of new leasing and 68,000 square feet of renewal leasing completed. Spread on renewal rents during the quarter was up 6.5%, with rent collection remaining strong above 98%. On the investment front, the REIT acquired its first Life Science asset in Canada for $15 million at a weighted average capitalization rate of 6.1% during the quarter. The property is located in close proximity to Montreal’s Technoparc and is 100% occupied on an 11 year weighted-average lease term. The REIT completed the sale of one non-core MOB for an aggregate sale price of $7 million during the quarter. In Europe, we were on plan and performing as expected, with year-over-year sourced currency SPNOI growth of 1.8% and occupancy at 96%. In Europe, the REIT continues to execute on its growth agenda by developing strategic relationships in both the medical office and hospital segments, thus continues to translate into accelerated deal flow. In addition to the UK value creation initiatives previously mentioned, the REIT completed the acquisition of its previously announced portfolio 4 on campus Dutch medical office buildings for $176 million at an average capitalization rate of 5.1%. And last, in Australia, the occupancy remained stable above 99% with constant year-over-year sourced currency SPNOI growth of 3.2% and a weighted-average lease term of more than 16 years. At Vital, the business reported similar results with a year-over-year SPNOI growth of 6% and occupancy again at 99% with a weighted average lease term of more than 19 years. As a manager of Vital Trust, the REIT completed the acquisition of a large rehabilitation and mental hospital located in Camberwell, Australia for $68 million at approximately a 5% capitalization rate. And again, new greenfield development in Princess Alexandria Hospital Precinct in Brisbane, Australia. I'm pleased with the progress made during the quarter, which advanced the number of the REIT’s key long-term strategic initiatives, as well as producing solid operating results, despite the COVID-19 environment. With deep relationships, best-in-class regional operating platforms, and a strong access to public and increasingly attractively priced private capital, the REIT is better positioned than ever continue to execute on its strategy. I'll now ask the operator to open up the call for questions.

    Operator

    . Your first question comes from , BMO Capital Markets.

    UnidentifiedAnalyst

    So my first question comes like, I saw you guys completed acquisition of the Life Sciences asset in Canada. And as we can tell, after COVID it’s a kind of awakening call to the Life Science sector and the committed $2.2 billion in funding the Life Science through COVID. I wonder on this point, do you guys expect to be part of the game, maybe just improve your practice in the Life Science in Canada either to buy or build?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    We absolutely do. And we're active in the Life Sciences space in all of our markets, in varying degrees, but it builds very much on one of our core investment themes, which is our precinct investment theme. And so, we have active projects queuing and under review in all of those markets, some of it buy, some of it build and we expect to have further announcements on this. It's meaningful opportunity but it's not limited expressly to Life Sciences. We do see this precinct opportunity offering a whole range of opportunities for us to grow and build on -- and I might call out in Australia, some recent examples, which have come out. You may have seen we reported Vital’s results, I guess 24 hours ago. And we would have called out there are 3 or 4 specific projects that have upwards of $1 billion of potential development in precinct including Life Sciences, hospital and outpatient opportunities. And we see a real continuing opportunity to build on our key strategies in Australia and New Zealand as an example, but certainly, increasingly in Europe and in Canada, pursuing these initiatives. And so we're quite active in the business. Overall, I might call out, maybe that the business in advancing these initiatives is looking to position the overall investment to between 10% and 15% of the business into value-add or development activities. And I think we see increasing visibility on that pipeline. We've been working hard in all our markets on these initiatives. And so we're starting to make some real progress there. Most of this is in conjunction with our existing capital platforms. So it gives us a very attractive way to both invest and earn fees, and some related revenue in bringing these projects to completion. So quite excited about it and really it's been a longstanding objective for us to grow and build on.

    UnidentifiedAnalyst

    Great. Thanks, Paul for the great color. And also in this quarter -- we're kind of turning to the fair value side of your IPP. I saw you recorded a sizeable fair value gain in this quarter. So I wonder, especially in the Vital Trust, I mean. So I wonder what has been changing that market, that drive this -- the fair value gain recorded in Q2. Maybe this is a question to Shailen.

    ShailenChande

    Hi, Frank. Yes. I'm happy to speak to some of our cap rate trends more generally, and then Paul can speak to some of the transactional investment moment. More generally our IFRS cap rate came down about 20 basis points quarter-over-quarter, 5.6% to 5.4%. And you're correct, quarter-over-quarter the primary change came out of Vital, which was about $200 million or so over the quarter at that rate on a consolidated basis. And year-over-year Vital has presented about 50 basis point compression in its overall weighted average cap rate. So it is the trend that we are seeing in the market more broadly. I’d call out that as we know under IFRS cap rate, that tends to be a bit of a trailing indicator. So perhaps not as up to date with what we're seeing in the current investment markets. And for some of Paul's introductory comments, we do see continued scope for marks to our IFRS cap rate primarily coming out of Europe, as well as continued compression in Australia. Paul, I'm not sure if you'd want to add any color around the investment market to perhaps substantiate that.

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Yes. So I think -- I mean, again, maybe Shailen putting that in context, we've guided previously to seeing 50 basis points in our total portfolio over the balance of the year. I think we're through 20 basis points in this quarter and we see the balance coming certainly over the next couple of quarters, it’s a good chunk of that, as Shailen said coming through continued cap rate compression in Australia, New Zealand and in Europe and as well as the UK JV initiatives, which I mentioned. So a lot of that is quite visible and coming quickly. And so, we're quite confident in that overall outcome in the near term. I would say though that the trends that we're seeing in our space for the highest quality assets and infrastructure-like assets that we substantially own already are really starting to converge on the themes we're seeing in the industrial space as an example. So, while we've been guiding into the low 4s for some of our best quality assets, I really think that that's going to start to have a 3 in front of it quite quickly. And so that the trend is very pronounced and obviously, something that benefits our existing portfolio significantly. So, we've been relatively conservative today on these numbers despite their size and noting that these are big movements on a big portfolio, but we see a lot more to come. Obviously, we're equally focused on making sure how we position the business both to acquire and increasingly to develop assets so we can do things accretively. And so, we have all of our funds in JVs set up, they'd give us leverage in a very low cost of capital to pursue opportunities in this type of environment. So, we think we're well positioned there, reminding everyone that we have approximately $5 billion of debt and equity capacity in our existing JVs to pursue these strategies, plus Vital, which is a evergreen cost and capital vehicle. And we really are starting to see some of the value add and development initiatives that we're pursuing, coming in, in mid 5s to mid 6s types of returns. So, they're quite positively accretive to what's available in the sale-leaseback market, which is incredibly competitive. Of course, our overall strategy has been to be abroad real estate partner of choice, and deliver a bunch of services more than straight capital. So, we've seen the business positioning itself to really be able to leg out that strategy on the ground in all of our regions, and so really capable of delivering value added services to our tenants. And that puts us in a really positive situation. Recently, for example, , we've had a very strong partnering relationship with one of our bigger tenants in the portfolio Epworth. We've completed the acquisition of Camberwell, which was one of their outpatient clinics in Melbourne. But we've also just come to heads of terms on a strategic partnering relationship with them, that will see us acquire interest into of their biggest hospitals, as well as commit over the next 10-years to upwards of $1 billion of development with them and expanding these big hospital campuses. And so we're able to position the business with the best partners, as a strategic partner, and that has the opportunity to joint venture with them on these assets on a 50-50 basis and grow the portfolio together over time. Now, we've had a 25 year relationship with that Epworth predating NorthWest involvement in the business in Australia. But it speaks well to sort of the strategies that we have that allow us to build on of these partnering aspects and really grow the business, both through acquisition and organic development over time. And so we're really starting to see that pipeline and those opportunities build nicely through the similar initiatives underway and in the hospital portfolio in the UK, and in our outpatient rehab clinics in Germany. And I’d call the MOB acquisition that we did this past quarter in the Netherlands is a great example of buying a set of purpose built buildings from the hospital operator. And we're now in the middle of the campus of Albert Schweitzer in the Netherlands, one of the top operators and, it gives us a real opportunity to help them grow and evolve their campus over time. And it’s the first transaction of this type in the Netherlands. So, it also gives us some technology to allow us to talk to the other hospital operators in the Netherlands and offer them similar on-campus real estate solution. So, we really see this part of the business evolving nicely and I'm quite excited about the potential for it over time.

    UnidentifiedAnalyst

    In addition to that, so, I want to circulate back to AUHPT a bit. So, on your MD&A I saw like you guys announced like the Premium Cash Offer. And also you mentioned the put and call arrangement to acquire 10 million units at A$2.7 per wholesale unit and following that you guys anticipate to close the purchase of units by the third quarter of fiscal 2021. For my take is, so is this -- the Premium Cash Offer, that means that close in Q3 and also, do you also expect to exercise your put and call arrangements in Q3 as well?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    It could be Q3 or Q4, we have flexibility there. But yes, we do expect to exercise them and we have an effective interest of 17.3%, and again, making us the largest investor in the business. That consortium includes our JV partners. So we have a strong capital relationship there to achieve that. And again, we're very much looking down the road from there.

    Operator

    Your next question comes from Fred Blondeau of iA Capital.

    FredBlondeau

    I was just looking at your same property NOI, and I was wondering if you could give us a bit more granularity on -- it looks like you're doing extremely well with Vital. I think you gave us good color this morning, but could you expand a little bit more on what's going on in Australia, what will be the drivers there? And it looks, you were seeing a little bit more pressure, at least last quarter in Europe, so a bit more color on the drivers in these areas would be much appreciated. Thank you.

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Shailen, maybe I can take a stab at that, in Australia. Again, our portfolio in Australia and New Zealand is 100% indexed and 99% occupancy. So the math on SPNOI has pretty direct drive. Now, we do have a number of our leases that have fixed floors of 3% or 3.5%, so sometimes the growth rates there are above inflation -- it’s sort of inflation plus, I would say to the portfolio. But by and large, the bulk of the portfolio is indexed to local CPI. So that's a bit Australia and New Zealand. And again, at 99% occupied, it translates pretty directly in both directions. So we like that part of the business. Europe has that combination of both MOB and long-term leases. So all of the long-term leases in our rehab and our hospitals of course, are indexed and it’s a bit different in each market. Germany is CPI indexed. UK hospitals have typically a collar or floor between 2.5% or 2% and 4.5%. So we get a minimum of 2% or 2.5% and up to 4.5%, depending on the lease arrangement there. And then the MOB portfolio, it's probably on average about three-quarters of CPI that we would get through our leases in the MOB portfolio. So I think taken in combination, you get a bit of a driver there that's pretty close to being inflation-based. Of course, inflation in Europe is lower than in our other markets, including Australia. So we've been seeing that growth in the 1% and 1.5% range translating. We also have -- in the MOB business, a business that’s more closely approximate to Canada. So there's certainly is leasing and some elements of operational performance coming through that business. So it's a bit of a stew, but ultimately increasingly getting closer to CPI based but not quite as far as Australia and New Zealand or Brazil for that matter.

    FredBlondeau

    And so what would be your views for the second half of this year and next year looking at New Zealand and Australia and Europe as well?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Yes. I'm a bit reluctant, Fred, to make a call on inflation, to be direct to the question, I guess. I think the great news about our business still is that we have pretty direct drive pass through into our leases, as we've just talked about, so more than 75% of the business has direct inflation adjustments or better. So I think we're well protected in the rising environment for some inflation. We've been guiding -- maybe Shailen I'll let you talk to what we're forecasting for the balance of the year. But I think we've been pretty consistent in that 2.5% to 3% SPNOI range across the business. And, again, anything different than that would come out of a higher inflation environment, which we are hearing a lot about, but it hasn't yet translated, and maybe some of the immediate shock of all this reopening is abating and things are restoring themselves to a little bit normal level, but I'll let Shailen carry it from there.

    ShailenChande

    Yes. Thanks, Paul. And hi, Fred. In respect to SPNOI on a global consolidated basis, on a constant currency, over the quarter year-over-year, we posted 2.9%, or roughly 3% constant currency SPNOI. That's been a fairly consistent run rate for the business, so looking into that 3% SPNOI and circa 6% or just under on a levered basis is how we see that tracking through the numbers and that's been our historic track record and be here in market going forward.

    Operator

    Your next question comes from Tal Woolley of National Bank.

    TalWoolley

    I apologize if there's any noise, my next door neighbor, and my condo is doing renov. And so if it sounds like the walls are caving in, it's only because they are. The -- I wanted to start just with Australian Unity. Are you a happy passive shareholder now in Australian Unity?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Absolutely not. And I think again, we haven't changed our stripes overnight, Tal. So we do things for a reason. And we take a long view to it. What I will say though is that, clearly, as the largest investor in the trust there, we have a very strategic and very valuable stake. And we kept to use it to maximum advantage as we look forward. I can't talk more than that but I think you know as to have a long-term objective in mind, and we categorically do here with a partner who has an equally long-term view. So nothing about the windy road of Australian M&A is unexpected here. And this will be a multi-phase initiative for us.

    TalWoolley

    Okay. Like one other things I sort of wondered about when I watched the moves over time that you guys have made to increase your exposure there is that, there does feel to be a bit of a leverage arbitrage between what sort of tolerable here in Canada and maybe what is sort of natural practice in Australia? Like will they -- that feels like it's part of the potential upside for a new buyer like , like why have -- do you expect to see them start paying up their leverage as a result, like seeing more of these maybe bigger funds that are kind of relatively more unlevered taking up their leverage as a result?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    There's lots in that, so again I think other than maybe -- other than tactical things related to the specific situation which I won’t speak to, what I can say about Australia and New Zealand in general, and you see it in our Vital business as well, is it is a lower leverage environment than Canada traditionally has been. Although, I will let Shailen talk a lot about the direction we're driving it. A lot of that comes out of the recent experience in the GSC there in 2008 where that was very impactful in the listed environment and unlisted environment for trust. So, we see lower leverage in that part of the world in general. Obviously, we have different approaches to it. So in the context of our public sub -- Vital, we have a sub 30 kind of leverage focus right now. And that's consistent with the market. And probably consistent with the tight end of the market, maybe in Canada and the U.S. as an example, but certainly expected in the Australia and New Zealand context in the listed environment. Of course, our JV with our large institutional partner is very different, and has a very different leverage fluency. One of our great advantages is being able to use that and it gives us an effective cost of capital and things that we may do. So I think there's different answers to that question and a bit horses for courses. But if you had to generalize across Australia and New Zealand, I would expect that just given the typical listed and larger unlisted vehicles would be in the 20s in terms of leverage would be pretty steady state there, which would be I think, very much at the low end of the North American market by example.

    TalWoolley

    Also wanted to talk about the Canadian portfolio. Sort of a different question. Do you know within your tenant base for the medical office portfolio, like roughly how much of your exposure is to GPs versus specialists and other types of tenants?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    I might benefit by having Peter’s comment on that, not to put you on the spot Pete. But we do have that at hand. If not, we can -- we do, we just would have to pull it out so.

    PeterRiggin

    Yes. Thanks, Paul. Good morning, Tal. Yes, we don't have that at hand, I -- we can definitely pull that out for you. Maybe if I can just -- what's behind the question, maybe we can just…

    TalWoolley

    Yes, fair. I can certainly go on to the follow-up. I think, one of the things I've sort of increasingly hearing from retail landlords in this country is a desire to get more medical uses into malls. They see themselves as having a lot of things that feature for consumers. A, a lot of other shopping alternatives that drives a lot of traffic. It's free parking. We had like just this morning, like Loblaws announce some of their, I think specs GP clinics that they are going to be opening up in Shoppers. I mean, it's early days, but I'm just saying like, this appears to be a focus for another asset class is to maybe kind of drive your tests into a different -- in a different direction. So I was trying to get an idea of like, what you were thinking about that? And how much -- I would say probably the GPs are the easiest to kind of shift into that environment if you're a specialist with different things that might be a little bit more challenging to make that move.

    PeterRiggin

    You're right. There are all different types of medical buildings, both here in Canada and in Europe, some are GP focused, some are specialist focused, some specifically related to nearby hospital infrastructure. So there's no one brush that cuts it. In terms of the competition, be it from retail centers, or from the likes of shoppers and what have you, we've been dealing with that for the better part of the size of the portfolio. So that's nothing new to us. We continue to believe that it's more than just a space, that it's synergy within the building, it's services offered, it's just how they're treated as a tenant. So that -- obviously we always continue to watch competition in micro markets but it's nothing that's throwing us off course. As I said, we've dealt with it for well over a decade.

    TalWoolley

    Okay. And then, for Paul. You've obviously spent like a lot of the last several years building out the international portfolio. Can you just -- if we talk about, maybe not the Life Sciences piece, which is just kind of starting here in Canada, but just that core medical office business. Are there any sort of interesting opportunities that are coming about, because like you’re having a kind of similar portfolio around the edges or so we just continue to sort of see it as like the stable kind of cash flow based on what you're building kind of the rest of the business?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Again, maybe I'm not sure I fully understand, but maybe I'll try and pick up on a couple of thoughts that are on my mind around portfolio management. I think the business Tal, as you mentioned has matured and got much more sophisticated over the last -- since 2010 when we listed it and 2004 since we started it. So I think we have an increasingly sophisticated capital allocation thinking about what's good and what's -- what we like and what we're good at doing. So I think we're in a continuous moment of optimizing and evolving our portfolio. I think the big trends -- I mean, again, if I try and come back to Canada, which we all know best, we know that we still continue to have a very stylized healthcare market in Canada compared to the rest of the world. That obviously has informed our thinking about where to go and why we didn’t just get on the planes, because we wanted to fly. We went there because we thought we could get better quality and better returns. And I think that's been proven out over time. But I am quite constructive on Canada. Again, it's being dragged perhaps a little bit unwillingly to the altar of healthcare innovation and change. And so, we are starting to see the bigger trends come through the business. It's still going to be slow compared to more dynamic markets like Australia, where we have a private sector that's very reactive and responsive. But nonetheless the big trends are still happening. So the big trend, I mean, oddly, to talk about ambulatory and outpatient in Canada, it's a funny big trend because being existed for 25 years and yet we have almost none of it. So, we're seeing very significant changing, thinking and posture in our provincial health leaders around moving aggressive, this COVID has been an absolute accelerant to this trend. We're active as you know, in Lakeridge and other outpatient ambulatory development opportunities. Those start to have the features that we like in terms of again larger credit-worthy tenants and the government itself or the hospital operators, as well as the long-term leases. Much more higher acuity procedures happening in these facilities compared to MOBs. So that trend is starting to become pronounced and all of the provincial governments are in big dialogues around how they evolve their facilities use. And just given that they're not necessarily, directly on campus and physically attached to the existing hospital, it really offers NorthWest a much bigger opportunity set. So, that's a quite a pronounced trend that we see happening. So, that trend also will help what could happen in medical office buildings, of course. So, we have a lot of space that can be repositioned to deliver clinical outpatient services, whether it's dialysis or whether it's even day surgery or other types of uses in the hospital, which are becoming less core as the hospital will shift from all this COVID capacity to really much higher acuity things that are happening in hospitals. So, we see that happening. We also see, in our MOBs, and as Peter mentioned, through the 15-years we've been doing this, there's been quite an evolution to how practices think. So clearly, we've been at the forefront of thinking about group practice and ways to accommodate both GPs and specialists in more flexible, nicer settings. And so that trend is happening and I think that’s continuing trend but it gives us some opportunities to deliver high quality things to people. So, those are some of the things we see a lot of. And then obviously, when we get into the broader precincts, and we get into that combination of research, and healthcare, and education, we see the constellation of those three things, as being, really the drivers of these big precincts and these big opportunities. And we're super focused on that, obviously, when it comes to development, we're quite cautious. And we're looking for all the good things that you would have. Our industry offers us the great opportunity to do a lot of pre-leasing, if not 100%, in many cases. But we will find ourselves into, arrangements with on-campus or in-precinct that will have some neat opportunities. So, those are our, sort of highest conviction themes, that precinct theme, the outpatient ambulatory theme, and then of course, MOB is around that play a really important role. But they are facilitating role to the broader delivery of healthcare.

    TalWoolley

    So, if I were to paraphrase, it would be like there are -- there's good stuff ahead here in Canada, it's just going to go at the speed of government, not at the -- it's not going to elect your theme. It's not going to go at the speed you want to go.

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Yes, that's fair, whereas, you have contrast that, I mean some of the most asset heavy healthcare operators that are in other markets, private, let's say, at start are becoming very much cautioned over that non-core bridge as it comes to their real estate, and really opening up big portfolio opportunities, as well as, okay, how do we expand and evolve it. Because at the same time, what's going on in healthcare is that the operators are making huge investments in other areas, like by IT, like in people. There's just real transformation happening in healthcare. So, there's only so many dollars. And real estate is something that they can control and have great arrangements, long-term arrangements through leases. They don't need to have all their capital in real estate. And they need a lot of capital to grow and evolve their businesses which are experiencing huge demand. So, that's kind of the theme. And yes, as we know, governments approach those big themes a little bit differently, and I think Canada is changing. I'm an optimist and a believer in what we do here. But there's been a lot of good articles recently just in the paper around these issues of really needing to evolve the system. And it's not going to be exclusively -- let’s say it won't be done exactly as it's been done historically, which I'm confident to say today. It takes a long time to get there but they had a big push in terms of COVID, but they were very much in that moment.

    TalWoolley

    And do you have a lot of like, access -- or sorry, look, I don't know what the site coverage is like for your Canadian portfolio. Do you have like opportunities to sort of increase the density on some of your medical office space, maybe for some other uses beyond medical offices?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    We've been looking in our portfolio for a while now for expansion opportunities, probably two big themes that would follow REIT brand in general, I think ones are urban densification. So we've been focused on a series of value unlocking initiatives around excess density in our most core properties. And we have stuff all around the City of Toronto as an example that has the next 50 storey thing on it. And so we're working through that, it’s not healthcare. And then obviously the things that are close to the things that we like, portfolio has been very positioned to see properties near our proximity, into hospitals or significant research nodes. We're very focused on looking at opportunities to expand and grow our businesses there. And I’d just then call out, for example, we own 149 College, which is across from U of T and right in the MaRS Discovery District. And so we're looking at a very significant opportunity there to grow and expand that building and that itself could be a $500 million project very easily in conjunction with some of the biggest partners in the industry. So there's a bit of a range, but the answer is categorically across the portfolio in all jurisdictions, we're looking for logical ways to expand. And I in my comments in the introduction what really meant to say that the business which has historically had sort of $300 million of active developments going on is probably going to travel out over the near-term in terms of going forward. And we see a very attractive opportunities. So getting that right, managing execution on those things is going to be an increasing part of our business. But we've consciously set out to do that, because we have good land because also our partners are looking for new and expanded opportunities. So a lot in that but I'd say yes, yes and yes.

    Operator

    The next question comes from Mario Saric of Scotiabank.

    MarioSaric

    Paul, I just wanted to delve into a bit more detail on your $2 potential NAV upside in the near-term. How would you break that down between cap rate compression, the value add with the UK venture and then potentially development upside? I ask this because I don't know how much of a of UK venture value creation cost is currently in your work today?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Yes, I’d probably let Shailen bring some precision, but I’d like to get checked online here, Mario. So let's see if I get this right. But I'd say 50% UK value creation and 25% each to the other two components. Am I close on that Shailen?

    ShailenChande

    Yes, I think that's fair. And maybe the clarifying comment I give Mario is that, specifically in respect to the UK and how much of that is already in our IFRS values, given the majority of our UK portfolio has been acquired over the last 12 months, I mean it's essentially being held in costs. So we haven't taken any material marks to our UK portfolio and the value creation is to come in respect of our IFRS marks.

    MarioSaric

    Okay. Operationally, Australia has had some more recent challenges with the Delta variation. Can you highlight any changes in recollection or requests for rent deferral and anything along those lines within your portfolio in the past couple of months?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Yes, I'll take that one, Mario. We had -- even just remembering that Australia where we had 500 cases in total. So that regime is in a very different approach to COVID than we are. But what hasn't happened I think other than in the very early days of the first wave, is there's been any capacity constraints or restrictions on elective procedures, as the industry would call it. And so, we're seeing all of our partners operating at substantially full capacity and no limitations on what they're capable of doing. Of course, the demand side of that came back instantaneously, as we know. Healthcare is pretty inelastic when it comes to demand. So right now across the world, but including our Australia and New Zealand, zero impact from this moment. And unexpected, frankly, I think unless things get dramatically different.

    MarioSaric

    And then I think there's never a dull moment with you and so far there's a lot of opportunities globally. With the expansion of your asset management franchise over time, you mentioned Australian Unity and that perhaps been in kind of a multi process step that could take a bit of time. When we sit back, how do we think of both, the sequencing of Australia and kind of deploying that excess capital that you have with your institutional partner, the UK venture, the -- your potential entry within U.S., and then any potential structural changes in Brazil and in Canada, down the road? But is there enough organizational depth to be able to do all that simultaneously? Or should we think about it one step over time? And if so, how should we think about the sequencing of that over the next two years?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    You must have been around the yesterday, because that is the question. I think, you're absolutely right. We -- our issue, for sure, is not opportunity. It's getting the sequencing right and phasing it. But I think, we do have some very core, strongly held beliefs. And I've mentioned them, again, very much around these long-term cash flows and mentioned them around precincts and the ability now to add -- value add in development. And so as an example, the reason we like Australian Unity, as a business is that it emulates many of those core things that we do, and we like, and it has complementary geographies and relationships that fit within our strongly held beliefs. So tightly aligned, and then we think about it in a very long term, calculated way. But more importantly, I mean, I think of all of those initiatives, I think the business is probably capable of doing two to three of those things at any given time. The business is much broader and it has increasingly got very strong regional capability. So we spend a lot of time and energy building our platforms. So of course, we need to get those staging right. And the timing right through the capital markets and clearly some of the capital we use, we like to redeploy. So we're not doing everything on top of each other in that regard. But, again, I think we're more capable than ever of doing multiple things. And I think, I would just say that we're very mindful of making sure that we get things right and in the right order. And I’d call out, as we know, we've been talking a lot about this JV over the last 12 months. Obviously we came to a very strong conclusion, getting the value enhancement pieces of that portfolio right was the right thing for the business, and we paused the JV to facilitate that. We've now on the 5 yard line or maybe the 1 yard line with that initiative. And so, we'll move quite quickly as an example. And I realize that we've been talking about it for a bit. But, we've made a ton of progress in executing on what we've wanted to do. And I will say in this one, in any event it's ended up better than where we thought probably doubled what we thought we were going to be able to achieve in terms of value enhancement and so. And with that comes new relationships and new opportunities as well, which will be on the horizon. So, I think for a business, as an example that entered the UK, opportunities to clear, that that's going to make somewhere between a 40% and 50% IRR on its initial investments internally all for the REIT, see a new JV and establishing a multi-set of relationships with the top operators in the UK and in a number of different opportunities, where we're super happy with that outcome. And it would've been great to be done 90 days ago, but we've taken the long view to get the underlying fundamentals right, and to deliver on things. So, as an example, we've been able to do that, at the same time, as all of our U.S. exploratory work, and again we're not quite to the point of taking an investment decision there, but we're working hard at it, and we do expect news later this year. All the while, moving the business in Australia and New Zealand into a very active set of both growth and, call them, strategic initiatives. So, I think we're capable of doing things and the business will always have to say weigh in what order it does things. And again, I think over time, we've gotten better at doing that.

    MarioSaric

    Understood. And then when we think about your equity needs to accomplish, these initiatives are presumably acquiring with your consortium partner, 100% not sure if AUHPT was perhaps the base case. I am not sure if that’s the base case going forward after the multi-stage process or not. But when we look at Australia, receipting of the capital or receipting of the office in the UK, and then potential initiatives in North America, given where your balance sheet is today, are you comfortable that you have all the necessary -- or you will have all the necessary required equity to kind of execute on those initiatives going forward?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Yes. I mean, going forward that's -- I think I was going to say, I think over time, this is a growth business. And we probably see in the medium-term doubling the size of the business quite comfortably. So of course in that context, we will need equity, both JV and otherwise. But in the near-term, I think with the UK JV coming quite quickly, I do think we see a very adequate amount of equity for the things that we have underway. Again, noting that, most of the bigger things are coming through our capital arrangements, either in Europe or in Australia where we're putting up part dollars behind, in some cases very attractive leverage. So, from that perspective, I think in the near-term, we feel pretty good about where we are. The other side of that equation of course is leverage. And so, we are quite committed to be in a decreasing leverage environmentally. We've done good steps this year around that. As Shailen noted, we're certainly looking at somewhere between 750 basis points and 1,000 basis points of additional deleveraging coming in a few different ways. So, I think all of that is the tension of the business, but I do feel that it's adequately capitalized in the near-term. And certainly, we went earlier this year a couple of times to make sure that was the case with visibility on a number of big things. But beyond that, of course, there'll be more to do and then we'll have to get the sequencing of that right too.

    MarioSaric

    And your comment on development or value add initiatives representing 10% to 15% of the balance sheet over time, is that on a consolidated basis, or would that represent your proportionate interest or NorthWest proportionate interest in those initiatives as a percentage proportion of balance sheet?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Yes, I will let Shailen get me correctly, but I think both actually, Mario. I think Vital is already headed in that direction, you'll see from the recent releases there, that we've got a very attractive advanced pipeline there, Galaxy, in our JV in Australia is not far behind, with some very big initiatives, and obviously, funded for the long-term to get that sort of thing done. And so I think across the rest of the organization, we have some catching up to do. But there are a number of meaningful initiatives underway. So, it's not going to start at 15%. But I think what we said, probably 18 months ago, just leaning into 2020, we looked at the business and said, we have a lot of strategic land, we have a lot of partners that want more than just straight sale-leaseback capital, they're looking for new and different and real estate help. We need to position the business in this direction. And so, that's something we've been working at now for 18 months, and I think now it’s just getting meaningful enough to talk about specifically. So, I feel like we're partway along the path, and it's going to take another 12 or 24 months for it to start to be more pronounced in some of these other geographies. But to maintain $1 billion of value add and/or development constantly in the business as a near-term objective is a meaningful thing to talk about. And I think we've seen -- we see ourselves able to do that, and we see the business, again, well capitalized through its capital commitments to culminate that type of activity. And we're super focused on making sure that we can do it for not just an initial set of projects, but over time. And I think that's one of the nice things about our industry where, when you’re in particularly in the precinct strategy or ambulatory strategy, they tend to come in multiples or phases, and so once you gets started -- so we have reasonably higher visibility on the phase 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 situations at many of our sites. And that gives us a nice staged opportunity over time to pursue projects and these are big campuses with lots of different types of uses. So, some of them are bite sized, some of them are bigger, and have the usual pre-leasing or varied set of arrangements that you need to make it work. So, it's going to be a little bit of everything in all directions. And -- but coming back to these core strategies and beliefs, which are, we've always been a major market player, we've always been a larger asset player in conjunction with precincts, in conjunction with other infrastructures. So, those are our big themes. And, of course, we are always a partnering player. So, where we have a partner like Epworth, as an example where they have a very varied set of needs, we're lucky to provide all those needs over time and we're able to do that. So those are some themes that are in the business and maybe what's changing is just the pace of those things coming, because the healthcare industry I think is changing very quickly. We're seeing in the U.S. as an example, multiple major hospital operators looking to exit their on-campus MOB real estate, again, coming to the conclusion that owning real estate assets is not core for them. Really nice opportunities that marry up with themes that we liked in other parts of the world, as an example, to things that we're seeing and we're seeing them around the world.

    MarioSaric

    Just maybe one more quick one for me, in recognition of the time. The good with development is longer term NAV per unit growth, longer term AFFO per unit growth, better quality of portfolio, the bad in the near-term is there's no income that's near-term dilutive. How do you -- as developer becomes a bigger part of the story, how do you balance those two and you have kind of a medium to long-term AFFO per unit growth target that you want to achieve?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Very carefully, I think is the right answer. But given that a good percentage of the development will come through our JV or permanent capital arrangements, we're able to, A, we're putting up in those situations 30% or 25% of the equity against leverage that may be again -- and we will average out, but certainly 50% to 60% in either types of projects that we do that are substantially let, and substantially fix contracts or very limited cost of risk on those projects. So, the actual equity dollars to NorthWest are relatively small. And we have very attractive development fee arrangements with all of our arrangements. So I think we're able to offset any small capital drag, if you can think of it that way on earnings with very attractive fees and earnings around development management, leasing and then ultimately the asset management. So, we think it’s a pretty acceptable mix. So I would say that, we probably still see it on the accretive side of the ledger, but I might let Shailen speak to that just to get his lens on that. But it’s -- we're talking about $0.5 to $0.10 on these projects, not $110. We're talking about meaningful fees against particularly big level projects that are under development.

    MarioSaric

    And then just -- maybe the second part of that question. Shailen talked about structurally 3% SPNOI growth. You have a very prolific global asset management business that layers on incremental fee. If your three to five year business plan goes according to plan, what type of targeted AFFO per unit growth do you think some of the company units can achieve?

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Great question. Do you want to start with that Shailen or would you like me to try?

    ShailenChande

    Yes, well, happy to put a thought. Mario, I think, we do have great slide on our investor presentation, actually, Slide 13, I would refer people to, but it's what I like to call our business model slide. At that 3% unlevered SPNOI growth leverage you look at about 6% there. We believe our asset management business and the nature of our fee structures brings about a 350 basis points premium growth to that. And then through some of this development, which is becoming increasingly important in our business and forecasting around that 100 basis point spread between stabilized and developing yield, we think that brings an extra 30 basis points to 50 basis points. So all of that would bring us to a core 10% to 12% stabilized AFFO return and a NAV growth rate. Leverage will be neutral, yes.

    Operator

    . There are no further questions. I will turn the conference back over to Paul Dalla Lana. Please go ahead, sir.

    Paul Dalla Lana

    Thank you, operator, and thank you everyone. That brings to conclusion of NorthWest Healthcare Properties Q2 '21 call. Thank you for your involvement and attendance today. Have a good day.

    Operator

    Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.

    Notifications