Shiseido Company, Limited / Earnings Calls / February 11, 2025

    Kentaro Fujiwara

    Today, I will first explain the key points of the results for 2024 and the outlook for 2025. And then CFO, Hirofuji, will explain the details of the results, and I will then explain the main issues to be addressed in 2025. First, Page 3. Key points of the financial results for 2024. Core operating profit for the full year was JPY 36.4 billion compared to the revised forecast of JPY 35 billion announced in November last year. The fact that we were able to achieve the profit target announced in November despite the difficult environment is a result of the efforts of the entire company working together. What is particularly noteworthy is the performance in Japan, where we are promoting structural reforms with the aim of achieving over JPY 20 billion in 2024 and JPY 50 billion in 2025. The actual results for this period was JPY 28.1 billion, significantly exceeding the target. In Japan and Europe, the virtuous cycle of growth and improved profitability through selection and concentration is steadily producing results. Going forward, we will expand the structural reform globally, working to improve the balance of profit in each region and establish a global earnings base. Regarding dividends, which we said in November last year that we would closely monitor and examine the situation after repeated discussion from the perspective of maximizing long-term total shareholder returns, we have decided to reduce the year-end dividend from the planned JPY 30 per share to JPY 10 per share, the details explained in the slide later. Consolidated sales, excluding the impact of foreign exchange and business transfers in real terms, increased 4% year-on-year in the fourth quarter and decreased 1% year-on-year for the full year. In Japan and Europe, we continue to see strong growth centered on our core brands. In China and Travel Retail, consumer spending remained sluggish, but the revenue decline was in line with expectations. In the Americas, sales declined due to the delayed recovery of Drunk Elephant. We secured a core operating profit of JPY 36.4 billion, but due to structural reform expenses and provisions for financial expenses, net income attributable to owners of the parent company was deficit of JPY 10.8 billion. I will explain this in more detail. Regarding nonrecurring items, we recorded JPY 28.8 billion in expenses for structural reforms, which was largely in line with our plan. On the other hand, the provision for this item was not included in our forecast as of November. We transferred 3 brands, including bareMinerals in 2021. And as a result of careful examination of the seller's note, which deferred a portion of the transfer price, we recorded a provision for this item, taking into account the possibility of recovery. This is a one-off factor and does not involve any actual cash. We will continue to focus on recovering the full amount. For details, please refer to Appendix 15 of this document. Next, I will explain the full year forecast for 2025 on Page 4. Net sales are expected to be JPY 995 billion and the real growth rate, excluding the impact of foreign exchange fluctuations, is expected to increase by 4%, which is unchanged from the assumptions in the action plan announced at the end of November. Core operating income is expected to be JPY 36.5 billion based on the belief that previous year's level must be achieved, but we will aim for further increase. In addition, because of the figure for 2024, including one-off positive factors, the increase in profit will actually exceed JPY 10 billion. Additional information is provided on Page 14 of the supplementary materials, so please refer to it. Regarding the first half and second half balance of sales. In the first half, we expect a low single-digit percentage decline in sales, mainly due to the high hurdle of the previous year in the Travel Retail. But in the second half, we plan to achieve high single-digit percentage growth, driven by growth in Japan and Europe and the recovery in the Americas. Core operating income is roughly half the plan. The impact of the revenue decline is the first half will be offset mainly by the effect of reducing personnel costs in Japan. Although we expect revenue increase in the second half, we also expect to see an increase in expenses such as reaction to onetime positive factors of the previous year and increased marketing investment. Therefore, as in the previous year, we expect there to be no significant difference in profit levels between the first and second halves. Regarding the outlook of regional profits, we are forecasting significant profit growth in Japan and Americas. In Japan, we're aiming for JPY 50 billion in profit, thanks to the launch of new products, price increases and an improvement of product mix, which will lead to an expansion in gross profit as well as the effect of personnel reduction through the early retirement support plan. In Americas, we will make up for the profit decline from the previous year as much as possible, including by achieving a recovery in Drunk Elephant, driving growth in brand SHISEIDO and Dr. Dennis Gross Skincare and optimizing costs. Regarding China and Travel Retail, as I explained at the end of November, we are anticipating real declines in revenue and profit. We are expecting a loss of JPY 23 billion from nonrecurring items, mainly structural reform and related expenses as set out in the action plan. We will mainly work on organizational reform, productivity improvement and brand SKU selection and concentration, et cetera, and lay the foundation for achieving the core operating profit margin of 7% in 2026. Free cash flow is expected to turn positive due to a decrease in nonrecurring items year-on-year and the fact that we do not have any major M&A plans for 2025. Next, on Page 5, I explain our dividend policy. In terms of business performance and cash generating ability, both the 2024 results and the 2025 forecast are not at the level we aim as for a global beauty company over the long term and we are in situation where we should drive improvements through further action. In the 2-year period of 2025 and 2026, we believe that the top priorities for cash allocation to improve corporate value should be; one, strategic investment in growth areas; and two, investment in structural reform. In order to respond to the uncertainty of the business environment, we believe that it is essential to secure financial flexibility and to prioritize implementation of the key measures set out in the action plan in order to build the foundation for growth with the aim of maximizing long-term corporate value and total shareholder return. As a result of careful consideration of the current situation, we have decided to reduce the year-end dividend from JPY 30 per share to JPY 10 per share, and we'll submit this proposal to the General Meeting of Shareholders in March. In addition, the annual dividend for 2024 will be JPY 40 per share, the same as in the previous year and in line with our current dividend policy. The dividend level will be in line with the DOE target of 2.5% or more. We take very seriously the fact that this dividend cut will cause concern among our shareholders. We will take responsibility for doing what we need to do in this critical 2-year period and for conducting business operations that live up to the trust of all our stakeholders. From now on, we will work to recover our business performances and improve capital efficiency by accelerating the completion of the structural reforms and strengthening our brand power. And in line with the recovery of profits and cash flow, we will consider expanding shareholder returns, including an increase in dividends.

    Ayako Hirofuji

    From here, I will explain the details of the results. This is a summary of the P&L results for 2024. The contents have been explained by CEO, Fujiwara, earlier. Next, Page 7 shows the sales trends by region. Japan and Europe have grown steadily. And in particular, Japan has achieved 10% growth for 2 consecutive years, exceeding the high hurdle of the previous year as the recovery after corona has run its course. In China, sales has been low due to the impact of treated water in the previous year. But for the first time in 5 quarters, sales increase and the decrease in Travel Retail sales also narrowed to a single-digit range. Although we are still cautious about the outlook for 2025, we are positive about the fact that there is no further deterioration, and we are starting to see signs of bottoming up. The Americas continue to struggle, although the overall results of the year was a negative 1%, excluding China and Travel Retail, we achieved strong growth of 6%, and we are continuing to shift to an appropriate regional portfolio. Next on Page 8 is the net sales by brand. From this time, we have separately broken down the Core 3 and Next 5 brands, which we will focus on in the action plan for 2025 to 2026. Brands with a significant sales contribution from China and Travel Retail were affected by the overall market challenges. However, even within this, Clé de Peau Beauté accelerated growth in both Japan and China, continuing to perform steadily. NARS recovered in the Americas in Q4 and turned to revenue growth for the year. ELIXIR maintained high growth, mainly in Japan, while narciso rodriguez and ISSEY MIYAKE maintained strong growth, particularly in EMEA due to success in active investment. On the other hand, Shiseido and Drunk Elephant experienced a decline in sales throughout the year. Next is Page 9 on the Japan business. In Q4, the local market growth experienced a slight slowdown in pace of growth due to the high performance level over the previous year. As for inbound demand, the number of tours to Japan hit a record high in October and December, yet the cosmetic purchases only showed moderate growth. Despite this, our business in Japan maintained strong growth in the low teens for core brands, expanding market share. New product launches such as ELIXIR's Glow Serum and Shiseido's Foundation Serum showcased our strength in advanced technology, driving sales through a new value creation marketing that strategically targeted new markets. Clé de Peau Beauté also continued to see a steady increase in loyal customers even after the price increase in April. One of the brands we focus on in Japan, d program further clarified its marketing strategy and achieved high growth with strong returns. We call it communication innovation and the success of SHISEIDO MEN, we are changing the way we communicate about existing products led to sales growth became a model that was applied to other brands. Additionally, we advanced our touch point strategy and continue to win at places where people gather approach with growth in key channels driving target achievement even after significant personnel reductions at the end of September. E-commerce sales achieved growth in the high 20% range due to brand expansion and increased digital advertising investments. Regarding inbound demand, with the increase in the number of visitors to Japan, we are steadily expanding. Moving forward, we will implement measures that align with the purchasing trends of tourists. Next is Page 10, China and Travel Retail. The China market continues to face sluggish consumption and with rising price sensitivity, event-based consumption such as Double 11 accelerated. Despite these challenging market conditions, we are focused on balancing growth and profitability while enhancing brand value. As a result, sales turned positive in Q4. Off-line sales faced a tough environment throughout the year, but Clé de Peau Beauté achieved positive growth in Q4. And including e-commerce sales, we recorded high growth in the low 20% range. E-commerce also showed a steady recovery in Q4 with significant growth on major platforms during Double 11, especially rebounding from the treated water impact marking solid growth into the high teens percentage. Both Shiseido and NARS turned into growth with NARS particularly showing year-round growth, continuing to expand its sales scale in China. As a result, despite the continuous difficult environment, our strategy to quickly respond to consumer changes successfully led to market share gains over the year, which we consider a major achievement. Next is Travel Retail. The decline in consumption by Chinese tourists has continued, creating a tough business environment as expected. We will continue our efforts in strict inventory management and sound business health in the mid- to long term. Despite these challenges, Travel Retail in Japan continues to perform well with a recovery in the number of store visitors. Next is Page 11, Americas. The supply shortages up until the first half of the year led to consumer attrition. In the second half, we focused on strengthening marketing investments for key brands to drive recovery. However, Drunk Elephant's customer purchase recovery was slower than expected, resulting in a revenue decline below projections. We attribute this to factors such as intensified competition in the market surrounding Drunk Elephant and a lack of targeted promotions. In 2025, we will focus on strengthening Drunk Elephant's brand marketing and clarifying its target customer base in order to turn things around. On the other hand, production in the Americas has stabilized and NARS steadily recovered. Fragrances also performed well, benefiting from favorable market conditions. All other major brands returned to growth in Q4. Additionally, Dr. Dennis Gross Skincare acquired in February is progressing as initially planned. Next is Page 12 on EMEA and Asia Pacific. EMEA market continued to grow in all categories. In Q4, the shipment adjustments for the holiday season contributed positively with the strong performance of new product launches, allowing the company to reach the sales as planned. Selection and concentration in focused brands, markets and channels demonstrated results, capturing strong growth for the full year as well. Asia Pacific continued to perform well with ANESSA, Clé de Peau Beauté, but the slowdown in Taiwan and South Korean markets impacted the sales, leading to a sales decline in Q4. Next is Page 13, the core operating profit by region. In Japan, in addition to increased sales, significant profit growth was achieved contributed by gross margin ratio improvement from mix improvement as a result of selection and concentration and price increase as well as the impact from structural reform. Inbound sales are still about half of the peak level in 2019, but profitability in the local business has improved, achieving core OP margin of approximately 10%. The business turned from a loss in 2022 to a profit in 2023 and by 2024, growing to realize double-digit margin. This growth has led to confidence for the overall company and a result that can be expanded horizontally to other regions. In China, despite a negative real growth rate of minus 5%, marketing investments were maintained and structural reforms such as the closure of unprofitable stores and workforce reductions led to increased profits. Despite the continued uncertain market environment, efforts are underway to build a revenue base that is less affected by external factors. In EMEA, while expenses were kept under control, marketing investments aimed at enhancing brand value were continued, leading to increased sales. Travel Retail saw a significant decline in profits. Furthermore, the decrease in Travel Retail sales also had a substantial impact on the other segments with drop in gross profit driven by internal sales decline. Regarding adjustments, change in elimination of unrealized gains contributed to decrease in profit. Last year, primarily in anticipation of the deterioration of the Chinese and Travel Retail markets, inventory reduction was implemented, which positively impacted elimination of unrealized gains. This year, the reversal of that effect has occurred, becoming a factor that pushed profits down. That concludes the performance report. One point of progress to report. We have received numerous requests regarding the difficulty in comparing the core operating profit by segment over the years due to the annual changes in internal transaction prices related to transfer pricing adjustments. To clearly compare the actual profit margins and their improvement progress across segments year-over-year, we are in the process of revising the definitions. Starting with the Q1 results to be announced in May, we plan to disclose the results under the new definitions. Please look out for further updates on this. That is it for myself. Thank you.

    Kentaro Fujiwara

    First, please turn to Page 15. This is the content we explained when we announced the action plan at the end of November. Over the next 2 years, we will work to strengthen the foundations of our core brands while also establishing a highly profitable structure to support future growth. Once again, we see 2025 as a year of competition. Our theme for this year is to do everything we need to do. We're already in the second month of 2025, and we will move forward with our measures with a sense of urgency. Next, please turn to Page 16. Over the next 2 years, we will continue to implement structural reforms, but we will also accelerate the growth of our core brands through focused investment based on growth potential, profitability and competitive advantage. In 2025, we will increase marketing investment by JPY 10 billion year-on-year, and we'll invest all of this in the Core 3 and Next 5, and we will aim to steadily expand the market share by building the value of our core brands, which have high profitability and growth potential and strengthen our base of loyal customers. As a result, we will turn around the negative 1% real sales growth rate in 2024 to a positive 4% in 2025. And next, from Page 17, I will explain our brand strategy, focusing on the 3 core brands that will be the pillars of our future growth. First, let's look at the growth of strategy for brand Shiseido. In 2024, Shiseido experienced a slowdown in China and Travel Retail, which together accounted for around half of its sales and achieved strong growth in Japan, with sales in the high 20% range and in Europe, with sales in a high 10% range. Vital Perfection has secured a position in the market as an expanding mainstay line of anti-aging products. In the top 4 markets in Europe, Vital Perfection has achieved in the first skin care product ranking by line. The strategic allocation of the investments through selection and the concentration is paying off. Thanks to the efforts of global ambassador Anne Hathaway, Vital Perfection is also performing well in Americas. In addition, the Essence skin glow foundation, which was a big hit last year, established a new market for foundation serums. In Japan, it not only achieved the #1 share of the department store foundation s, but also gained many new younger users. In 2025, we will introduce the new Ultimune, which will be launched in March as a major growth driver on a global scale. This product will be launched in almost simultaneously around the world, and we are working to maximize sales with the sense of unity as a company-wide initiative. In terms of regions, we expect to see continued steady growth in Japan as well as accelerated growth in the Americas, Europe and Asia Pacific. In addition, we will be strengthening the Future Solution LX line, our top-of-the-line series in China, and we plan to launch new sun care products equipped with the latest technology in the Americas. In this way, by implementing unified global measures and developing products that match regional characteristics, we were able to achieve more substantial growth for the brand as a whole. Next, please turn to Page 18. As CFO, Hirofuji explained earlier, the growth of Clé de Peau Beauté is being driven by Japan, where growth in the high teens has been achieved. As we have also reported, the brand has also achieved positive growth in the challenging Chinese market, thanks to its strong brand value as a high-end brand. Base makeup, which has an overwhelming strength in acquiring new customers is performing well, contributing to the expansion of the brand's loyal customer base. In addition, The Serum, which was relaunched in September last year, has received high praise, including being ranked first at the best cosmetics product in major beauty magazines in Japan, and the number of skin care users has also increased. This year, we plan to launch the product in China as well, and we will strengthen strategic marketing for core skin care line, key radiant, care, et cetera. We will strengthen our position as a luxury brand by further enhancing our provision of luxury experience values such as base makeup, which is our strength and our holiday collections and treatment services, which are promoting events and special exhibition in countries around the world. Next, please turn to Page 19. NARS has strong equity and has been able to achieve steady growth even in a challenging market environment in China. But in 2024, there were some shortages due to temporary production cuts, and it was not possible to achieve major publicity and dramatic growth. In 2025, we will ensure growth by positioning base makeup, the foundation of the brand as a hero product, which also is increasing in the brand's topicality by boldly investing in a new innovation campaign to meet the growing global demand for blush. And we will turn further speed and amplify this through digital media with the aim of increasing our share of the makeup category. Next, Page 20, we have received feedback that the company has a strong R&D capability and technological strength, including basic research and has a good lineup of brands. But unfortunately, this is not translating into profitability. We will firmly provide our customers with our technological strength and added value in the form of products and we will also achieve a speedy innovation pipeline that will lead to sales and profits. This slide shows some of the new products that will be the key to our success in 2025. This is a group of products that will give you the sense of the technological advancement, and we are proud of. Please look forward to Core 3 and Next 5, the new products that will lead our growth. Next, please turn to Page 21. At the action plan briefing at the end of November, we introduced evolution of the global operation structure and building a global one team that leads sustainable brand development. The global brand strategy department, which was newly established in January this year and the Chief Marketing and Innovation Officer, Mr. Okabe, as well as the brand Committee, which brings together the top brand managers of the Core 3 and Next 5 brands, as shown in the photo, will introduce monitoring and brand strength using common brand indicators, quickly identify growth opportunities and risks across brands and build a system that can take quick action in response to market changes while also promoting the resolution of common issues across the brands and strengthening functions and allocating investment. This system will serve as a platform for the entire company to expand its brand portfolio and to develop new brands in the future. Next, let's move on to Page 22, which is about regions. First, in Japan, we steadily implement Mirai Shift NIPPON 2025 and significantly improved the profitability from previous year. In Europe, we also achieved steady growth by implementing measures that clearly set up core brands, channels and markets. This has led to improved profitability. In China, despite the challenging market environment, structural reforms implemented since 2023 have resulted in a reduction of fixed costs, including a decrease in headcount and the closure of unprofitable stores. In Asia Pacific, growth and profitability improvements have been achieved despite a slowdown in major markets such as Taiwan and South Korea. Dr. Dennis Gross Skincare, which is acquired -- we have acquired at the end of 2023, has achieved strong results as the expectations and PMI is progressing smoothly. On the other hand, the recovery of profitability and growth in the Americas remains an issue, and we will make this our top priority in 2025. We will also work to build a new growth platform that anticipates changes in China and Travel Retail. Next, please look at Page 23. In 2024, Americas experienced minus 7% in real growth rate and a significant decline in profit as well. The business performance is falling far below expectations, and we do feel a strong sense of urgency. In the Americas, the rapid diversification of values is accelerating market changes with the rise of emerging brands further driving these shifts. We will achieve growth in the dynamically changing Americas market by strategically allocating resources across a diverse brand portfolio in response to these changes. Building on the sustained growth of the strong brand equity of NARS, this year, we aim for significant growth for the brand Shiseido through product innovation and expansion of open sales channels. Additionally, we will capture the expanding trend of scientifically backed high-performance and multifunctional products in the American skin care category through the enhanced investment in Dr. Dennis Gross Skincare. As for Drunk Elephant, despite fierce competition from other brands, we will work on rebuilding consumer brand engagement for future growth. By combining the brand's philosophy and product efficacy communications with product innovation, we will focus on acquiring new customers and expanding our loyal customer base. We will also accelerate our response to channel changes more swiftly and seize growth opportunities. Also, we will take early actions for cost optimization as well as fixed cost reductions. Please have a look at Page 24. Both EMEA and Asia Pacific businesses will focus on strengthening their already performing core brands. On top of that, in EMEA, we continue each year to concentrate our investment on a key product in the fragrance category. This year, we plan to launch an innovative new product from Zadig & Voltaire globally next month. In Asia, we will leverage the brand power and technological superiority of our #1 sun care brand in Asia, ANESSA, to drive growth, while also strengthening fragrances as a new growth opportunity. Also as a foundation for future growth, we will focus on strengthening the skin care category in the Middle East. NARS, which we began selling in India, started selling online last month through Nykaa, a premium beauty and wellness retailer in India. We will also expand off-line sales and aim to be among the top 5 prestige makeup brands in India. Next, please have a look at Page 25. For China and Travel Retail businesses, we have developed a growth strategy based on the assumption of a difficult environment. The key point of growth is strengthening organizational capabilities to quickly respond to changes in consumer trends and realize growth opportunities. We will advance the development of original content locally through newly established brand holder satellite offices and enhance our social marketing and commerce operational capabilities through collaboration with external partners, increasing the impact of communication and investment effectiveness of core brands. To stabilize the market, we will accelerate the integrated operation of the China and Travel Retail businesses. For brand SHISEIDO, which faced growth challenges, we will restructure the product portfolio to respond to the polarization of consumption and work on stabilizing the business foundation while enhancing the prestige image. In China and Travel Retail, we are not setting overly ambitious growth targets, but rather prioritizing on strengthening the brand and concentrating our efforts on these activities. Next is Page 26. For the Japan business in 2025, there will be no significant changes to the strategy similar to 2024. With the execution of Mirai Shift NIPPON 2025, the sales ratio of the core 7 brands has increased to the 60% range and hero products are achieving very high growth, resulting in improvements in the product mix. As a result, the strategy is evolving as planned. From a profitability perspective, in 2024, we achieved JPY 28.1 billion in core operating profit with a core operating profit ratio of 10% level. In addition, the organizational culture of our Japan business is showing signs of change. We are committed to continuous self-innovation, questioning the status quo and driving transformation. I am confident that instilling this momentum will lay the foundation for the future growth of our Japan business. Building on the foundation established in 2024, in 2025, our entire organization will come together to take a further step in transformation, aiming to create a core operating profit of JPY 50 billion. This year, we have made significant organizational changes with a focus on accelerating responsibility and authority delegation for rapid execution, we have established 19 strategic execution units to operate in parallel. The organization has been streamlined from a multilayered structure to a leaner and flatter one. Each leader now has a greater decision-making authority for resource allocation and is entrusted with clearer profit responsibilities while also being given more authority at the operational level. Also, the design of our performance evaluation system has been adjusted to better reflect contribution to profit through individual evaluations and compensation. Furthermore, Executive Vice President, Nakata, who brings extensive business experience, both in Japan and overseas, has joined us. And together, we will lead a strong organization that delivers new value originating from Japan. Next is Page 27. Regarding global cost reduction, we achieved the planned JPY 20 billion effect in 2024. And for 2025, we are confident in achieving the same target of JPY 20 billion due to the significant contribution of already implemented actions. Starting this year, CFO, Ms. Hirofuji, will directly oversee the initiative and with an organizational structure focused on global cost reduction, we will begin new cost reduction efforts aiming for steady achievement. Actions for realizing the JPY 25 billion effect in 2026 are currently underway with completion targeted within 2025. We will announce the specifics when they are finalized and ready to be shared. As for each initiative, the scope, which was previously focused on Japan and China has now expanded globally. In 2026, the Americas and global headquarters will make up a significant portion of the efforts. Additionally, our goal is to establish a strong top-down approach benchmarked against global competitors, aiming for profitability level at a level where all regions can compete with global companies. The initiatives that have been developed are progressing at a pace that will allow us to realize the effects of all measures by the second quarter of 2026 at the latest. Next is Page 28. We are currently promoting development of the competitive company-wide optimized production system and the optimization of the value chain at our factories. We are reviewing real estate office spaces and leases globally, whether owned or rented, and promoting efficient utilization. We have already implemented real estate rationalization, and we plan to take additional measures in the future. We will announce the specifics of each initiative as they are finalized. Next, please have a look at Page 29. We have been working on evolving governance as a foundation to support the long-term enhancement of corporate value, starting with changes in organizational design. This year, we will continue to drive further evolution. Mr. Hatanaka, who has experience and a proven track record as a top executive of a publicly listed global company has been appointed chairman of the board of directors. We will further strengthen the separation of execution and oversight, aiming to enhance the effectiveness of the board of directors. Also, we will formally propose at the next month's general meeting of the appointment of Mr. Nakajima as a candidate for a new external director. As a certified public accountant with high expertise in the financial field, Mr. Nakajima's addition is just expected to strengthen our oversight in advisory functions in the formulation and execution of our financial targets. In addition, we will also make changes to the executive compensation. By aligning execution compensation more closely with shareholder interest, we will promote the steady execution of our action plans and management to focus on shareholder value. As an entire executive team, we are committed to delivering results that meet the expectations of our shareholders and other key stakeholders. Finally, at the briefing at the end of November, I declare that over the next 2 years, we will build an organization that steadily generates profit and drives growth despite the uncertain business environment and that we will achieve a 7% core operating profit margin by 2026. As I explained earlier, this year's growth plan focuses on our key brands, allowing us to concentrate investment in the areas of growth. Additionally, the preparation for the launch of new products featuring our innovative technologies, which are one of our strengths is complete, and we are confident in strengthening our brands. Over the 2 years of structural reforms, we will continue to invest in the core 3 and next 5 brands, strengthening the foundation for growth and ensuring growth is achieved. At the same time, by reviewing our brand portfolio, we aim to shift towards significant growth starting in 2027 with the goal of achieving even stronger growth. Regarding structural reforms, looking at the results, we have made significant progress by fully implementing the structural reforms in Japan and China, which has definitely improved the structure for generating profits in each region. In 2025, we will expand our focus globally and make tough decisions necessary to enhance our medium- and long-term corporate value. We promised to fully implement the structure that ensures growth leads to profitability. In this uncertain environment, we will prioritize first action advancing with an act and deliver approach. United as a company, we will take on challenges and build a new growth framework for Shiseido. That is it with my presentation.

    Operator

    Now we would like to move on to question-and-answer session. Now we would like to begin to take questions. Please raise your hand. Kuwahara from JPMorgan Securities.

    Akiko Kuwahara

    Within 2025, so you will execute everything that you need to execute. And that was a very powerful word. And so what does you incorporate in that? And how far are you prepared to do? So was the JPY 3 billion, this is on recurring item is also in corporate. In Page 8, in relation to Page 28, are there any items that we should be particularly be paying attention to? And also in regards to the real estate as well, where does this JPY 3 billion comes from. This is also associated with cash. And when we look at structure, if you were to complete this by 2025. So then 2026 onwards, the -- so the lower part than the core operating profit. Will there be any no significant negative, meaning that even into 2026, the SG&A percentage is the calculated 78%, 71%, and it looks to me a bit higher than the global and 2026 to 2027, I -- so am I correct to understand that the sales will expand and also in order to make it happen, the cost -- SG&A costs will also be added or increased.

    Unidentified Company Representative

    Thank you for your question. Then I would like to answer to you about the specific details about the nonrecurring items. Now to be specific, this is related to structural organizational reform and also the selection and concentration of SKUs and brands. And reorganizing the brand is also part of it. And also the removal of some of the real estate assets also part of it. And also, we will use the external help to perform the structural reforms. So this outsourcing cost is also included. So the in 2025, the nonrecurring costs will not be 0 necessarily, but so we would like to decrease it from the current level. And so the cash, the -- other than the P&L, there's a JPY 23 billion additional. And so this is a little bit less than JPY 20 billion. And as pointed out, as you said, the SG&A cost ratio this year, we would like to address it so that we will drive it down in the future. And also in 2026, 7% of the margin to be achieved and by expanding on the profit by growth. And from there, that point, we would like to drive more growth. And so that in future, the growth will also expand on the profitability. Our business is a high-margin business. So we would like to certainly drive further into growth.

    Akiko Kuwahara

    And just for confirmation, the going forward in regards to the real estate the sales. Is it the numbers going to improve? Or however, are you going to work on the fixed asset more by looking into the factory assets and so forth. So I just wanted to confirm your intentions on the real estate asset.

    Unidentified Company Representative

    Yes, the baseline, we are going to complete the structural reform deeply and thoroughly. Okay, so the -- basically, there will be improvement in both sides, meaning the cost and the profit. Thank you very much.

    Operator

    Next question is Wakako Sato from Morgan Stanley.

    Wakako Sato

    About the seller note and reminding me of something. So about the final profit in Americas, Drunk Elephant was surprisingly very bad. Is it just a delay in the performance? Or what's the actual behind that this bad performance. So the goodwill of Drunk Elephant and the trademark. I think that's quite a big amount. I think it would be more than JPY 90 billion. But -- did that go into any of that -- I'm sure there was some kind of production trouble as well, and therefore, there's some impairment. So last year onwards, you might -- it might come back a bit. But to what level will it get struck -- or will hit the inherent test? Now maybe not to the cash risk to that level, but is there an area, where we should be a little bit conscious of the ROIC that you look at? Do you look at the final profit in terms of ROIC, so in terms of this whole stories -- so including this element, I would like to know about the North America situation.

    Unidentified Company Representative

    Okay. We'll talk about the impairment in North America. As for the units of impairment, we look at it by region. We changed CDU unit by region. So Drunk Elephant. In terms of Durnk Elephant, will there be impairment risk? No, not at the moment. But that said, the sales for Durnk Elephant or the decline in the sales of Drunk Elephant we do see a sense of urgency. So regardless of impairment risk or not, we do need to recover Durnk Elephant that's a given. That's something that we do need to focus on. And it's a very important part of our business management, especially in the Americas and the growth for the Americas as well as India, we need to recover and for growth. For the business in the Americas, the North America, looking at slide, Page 23, Slide 23. As for the Americas business, the market is really accelerating in diversification. That is how we see the market. the consumers, the customers are diversifying, but not only that, there's a lot of emerging brand, and that's stimulating further diversification, making it even more competitive and that's how we see the Americas market. And with that, as for Drunk Elephant, last year, we did have a dip due to the production challenge, but not only that. In the second half, we did see a big recovery. However, we weren't able to capture or realize all the growth and so the challenge here is the even more fierce competitive market. But not only that, we're not seeing enough of the impact from our investments. So for this year, too. Last year, there were many things that happened, so the hurdle has gone down for this year. But to that, we're not that optimistic or do we don't see this brand optimistically -- so after the Drunk Elephant, as you see on this slide, the brand engagement. We want to rebuild the brand engagement and the brand philosophy. What is this brand about? What does it do for me? That's something that we need to recommunicate with our consumers. Otherwise, recovery will not be easy. So we see that as a challenge. And with that in mind, the Hero product or entry product innovation, we want to put a lot of effort into this plan to rebuild and to recover. And now as you we see it -- shown here for brand Shiseido, we see a lot of growth opportunities and myself going travel to the Americas and seen for myself as there's a lot of opportunities. Department stores used to be the core channel -- but finally, we're seeing more things like channels like Sephora and Ulta, and we are finally ready to go into these categories such as Sephora and Ulta. So we're not just going to go across all the categories, but we will look at -- we will look at more of the products that are focused on technology. For example, the Sun Care category with innovation or Benefiance, these kind of open cell channel, we are ready to go into now. So any category that we can see that would sell in the American market, we would like to push forward. And in this channel, what tends to be high in share is the Dr. Dennis Gross Skincare. And looking at the market this time around as well, it's more of the beauty medical care. And so there's a lot of elements that's growing in this category and Dr. Dennis Gross Skincare is really in the center of this growing category. In the past, there was more of the peeling or the beauty devices that tend to be leading. But finally, we're seeing more of a shift into serious skin care, which we can also invest more on. So yes, the market continues to change and is changing. But the portfolio we have here, how can we continue to shift quickly and make our investments so that we can look for growth. And so portfolio management will be the driver for the American market. So we want to ensure our growth in the Americas market with these kind of strategy that we have mentioned.

    Operator

    Next, the person to the right please.

    Mitsuko Miyasako

    Miyasako from Mizuho Securities. I would like to ask a question about Japan. And so I believe that there's been a great profitability improvement. And what was the missing part leave JPY 20 billion operating income, but there was an exceedance of JPY 8 billion, although the revenue was lower. And the cost structure reform in 2024, the also was added by JPY 5 billion to the original 20 million. So what has increased so much? And so can you explain also the JPY 50 billion is the target for this year? And what are the upsides? Where is it coming from?

    Unidentified Company Representative

    Thank you for your question. First of all, about the top line. So inbound sales from our initial assumption did not recover so much. And the local sales has achieved our internal targets. But that part was the missing part. However, internal management has much evolved and so, where we cannot expect the growth, we try to focus more on the profitability. On a monthly basis, we did a cap closing. We operate in that way and that style has taken root in our operation. When we look at the second half, we if we don't do anything, then inbound will not reach our expectation. Therefore, we are trying to generate the profit even though the top line may not reach our assumption or target. And that type of operation is now proving to be successful. And the last year, the profit was JPY 28 billion. And the biggest part comes from the growth from the -- in the core brands. In addition, the hero SKUs had a lot of concentration in the top line, meaning that the profits generated by the trade increase and also cost reduction is as expected. And in the fourth quarter and onwards, so we incurred the cost for the early retirement that is only effected on the fourth quarter and also the IT investment and also the sales promotion goods returns. All of these efforts have resulted in the profit JPY 28 billion. And for the next year, one thing it is clearly visible at this point, is the 1,500 people, the early retirement is going to work for the annual the numbers. So this is going to be significant. And also, in regards to the inbound sales, we will make the growth plan according to the realistic situation, so that more a profit will be generated. Also, as described here, other than that, the sales proportional goods is to be -- are to be reduced, and this is going to show its effect next year. And this will combine with other actions. And so JPY 50 billion I think we should be able to achieve it with a high probability. And there was some mention of the upside. And always, we will look at the top line situation. And if the top line seems to be tough, then we would then shift our actions. So that we will secure the JPY 50 billion level of target. And there's no numbers I can share at this point. But by the accumulation of this profit-oriented exercises, we should be able to achieve the target.

    Unidentified Company Representative

    Let me add to that. So JPY 28 billion this time, I think it's a great result. And based on the performance of the entire company, there's the adjustment of the bonus, which is JPY 5 billion. So there will be -- there's another one-off impact. So then without that, it could be JPY 23 billion. So that's one thing I would like to add. Having said that, we will work on the core concentrate on the core and select and concentrate the SKUs, and we have increased the margin by 1% and gross margin by 1%. So certainly, we are on the growth track.

    Operator

    Moving on to next question. Question to the right.

    Unidentified Analyst

    Could you tell us more about Japan price increases and the e-commerce plan for this year?

    Unidentified Company Representative

    So in terms of the price increase, so we also have a brand in this year as the same as the last 2 years. So we already announced for the market. So we increased over that price in April and mainly for the brand at over the credible border for those brands. And that's second is e-commerce -- so e-commerce is a measure for the great growth around or more than 20% of growth last few year and the e-commerce mix is that also increased around for the 15.5%, maybe 2 points better than for the previous years. Then so we really see to which brand is having more opportunity to grow. But some of the brand, it's very difficult to do that. So according to our research, or that I can plans can achieve around 30% or more than 30%. But the increase of the ELIXIR is such a more drug store brand is very difficult to achieve the 30%. Now so we really think about that to the how increase of the more, not just for that part of e-commerce ratio, that's the current strategy of the Japan market.

    Unidentified Company Representative

    Just to add on with regards to the price increase impact for '25, we are seeing globally assuming around JPY 10 billion, out of which less than half of it would be coming from Japan. We have built confidence from last year's price increase achievements. This is contributing -- continues to drive consumer -- new consumer acquisition, and hence, we are confident that this will also be contributing to the profit increases in Japan as well.

    Operator

    Next question from the right.

    Hisae Kawamoto

    Thank you for your briefing. Kawamoto, Jefferies Securities. Now I have a question about the fourth quarter in China. You made a 5% growth. And so the -- you explained about the your strategy on the Double 11. And so in 2025, in Page 25, the product portfolio was also mentioned. And is it -- I believe that you would start from a balance sheet data first. And for Chinese mass market [indiscernible] and other global markets, how are you going to work on the mass market going forward? That's my question.

    Unidentified Company Representative

    About the mass market in China Opera is still high in price in comparison to the mass market pricing and a Chinese local brands are in competition. And price-wise, we don't have a brand to be able to compete with the China local brands, and we would like to strengthen our brands where we can compete. And with that backdrop, we're going to break down the skin care and looking into the subcategories and the lotions and are now the price is going down, but the cream, essence and Eye Care, there's a trading up. And also the prestige brands are growing. And so these categories, as far as China is concerned, we will look further into more detailed specific segments of the product.

    Hisae Kawamoto

    Now in -- so the fourth quarter, you turned to growth, meaning that to be more conservative? Do you still have some uncertainty. So even in the global comparison, I think your performance was doing well.

    Unidentified Company Representative

    As far as the fourth quarter is concerned, one thing we need to consider is that a year ago, there was an impact of the treated water and the actual hurdle was lower. That's one thing we have to bear in mind. On the other hand, when we look at the overall market, the fourth quarter I believe that we are showing the #1 growth in the segment. And rather than the market -- so we are moving in a better form than the other market itself. So we have a tangible feel that our business is improving. But as far as this year is concerned, for the first half, there is an impact of the hurdle from the previous year and also the first and second quarters, we are looking at Chinese market rather conservatively.

    Operator

    We have 2 questions from online participants. Daiwa Securities, Hirozumi-san.

    Katsuro Hirozumi

    This is Hirozumi from Daiwa. Can you hear me? So one question. EMEA and Americas, the structure reform, what kind of things do you have in mind for the reform of the Americas and EMEA? The Trump -- President Trump, I don't think that's much impact. But our NARS, is that Americas -- so I'm a bit concerned about Americas and EMEA. So how do you -- what are you planning to do to recover for this year with about NARS and fixed cost.

    Unidentified Company Representative

    For growth in Americas and EMEA brand portfolio, we will manage the brand portfolio to make sure that we can capture growth. After NARS there was a minus last year, but this year, we don't see a negative from the production. And last year, in Q4 -- from Q4 of last year, we are seeing a solid recovery in terms of the branded NARS. So as now as shown here, we do assume that we can capture the growth with profitability. Now for the structural reform of Americas, we will reduce the fixed cost. That's something that we will do. There's SG&A, there's the personnel cost -- so within the growth that we have, we want to make sure to reduce the fixed costs, so that the Americas business can be a more profitable structure and that will be the key component of this. And as for the tariffs -- as to the tariffs yes, there we do see some impact on the tariffs to the finished products, but we do feel that it's very minimal. It's not big. And as for the tariffs, we have done multi-sourcing, but to multi-sourcing, we will look at more the local sourcing. And we have done that in the past to shift to local sourcing in the U.S. So I think we can minimize the risk of the tariffs, but we will watch and monitor closely of the situation. So Americas forecast for this year is that -- I think it was in the lower second -- to double digits. Americas increase in profit. This is also looking at last year's situation, we had a unique situation last year. So first of all, for Drunk Elephant, for the first half, we -- there have been an out of soft situation. And at the same time, NARS 2 had been hit by the decrease in production. So the hurdle for this year is lower. But as mentioned earlier, as for Drunk Elephant, just because the production is in stack, we're not going to immediately grow the sales. We need to rebuild the brand itself. So for the first half of the year, we will solidify the brand Drunk Elephant, and we will make our efforts around that.

    Operator

    We have 5 more minutes, and there are 2 people raising hands, who are joining us online. Miyazaki-san from Goldman Sachs.

    Takashi Miyazaki

    Miyazaki from Goldman Sachs. My question is about China and travel retail. And last year, the pricing -- we tended to move more towards the lowest pricing. And this year, when you look at Chinese travel retail, there's an assumption of the top line and the profit. Are there any homework remaining in terms of the pricing and -- is it still remaining as a prolonged effect or -- so that's why you are showing this number or the assumption for 2025. Am I correct to understand in that way? And you also explained about the brand. So between online and offline, which is going to be more of a focus in terms of marketing costs, marketing investment. And so the channel-wide strategy is something I would like to know about.

    Unidentified Company Representative

    So first, thank you for your question. First of all, about the pricing, we -- as part of a promotion with some rules carrying on with the -- some promotion. And in regards to the travel retail, there was a thing called Daigou. And so the -- as shown here, the travel retail, the -- we would like to capture the sales by the travelers. But Daigou sales will be controlled. And so that will be carried on into this year as well. So we will -- we made a plan with some rules in our mind, so that we can make the healthy growth for the future into 2025 and 2026. And also the market situation, there's the market itself overall is much sluggish. And the market itself, I won't call it shrinking, but it is becoming slightly smaller. That's our assumption. But with that as a backdrop, it is not about the entire prestige segment, there is the still room for growth. But the market in itself, we are not looking at it in an optimistic way. Lastly, about the channels on and off, to be honest -- to be honest, with off-line there will still be some adjustment to be underway. When we think about the number of the stores, department stores, the number is still high. So we will look at the -- closely into the top line profitability growth and to refresh and revisit the offline outlets. And also, how to localize the communication is another key using the social network, so that we will build the capability to communicate and reach to the consumers. So we're not simply thinking about e-commerce, but we will look at the social commerce so that we will create the content that is suitable to the market to reach to the targeted customers. And that capability is increasing. So we would like to further enhance that capability, which -- because we think that will be the growth driver for the future. Thank you very much.

    Operator

    We will take one last question from [indiscernible] Yogo-san from Mitsubishi UFJ Trust Bank.

    Unidentified Analyst

    My name is Yogo. I have 1 question. On Page 29, what you think of the compensation for the remuneration, maybe I'm just lacking the knowledge. So the reason why you're focused so much on the relative TSR and ROIC as a metric. I think you've had that in the past with the investment efficiency. So I do understand the ROIC as being part of the metric, I understand. But in terms of the sales, the -- if we think that any -- the sales will be taken away as part of the metrics, why would that be? And how was sales I suppose seen in the past. And this relative TSR is more for the shares. So some parts of it, I think, is uncontrollable. However, you put a lot of weight in this relative TSR, and I wonder why. And it might be just lack of my knowledge, but if you can teach me what this is about, that would be very helpful.

    Unidentified Company Representative

    As for the remuneration of the directors and corporate executive officers, so this is about the LTI, the long-term incentive type of remuneration. And as for that, we have brought in new metrics of the relative TSR and the ROIC. At the same time or on the other hand, our bonus, annual bonus payments that will be captured as an economical metric. And so we didn't want not to overlap the bonus to what is considered in this LTI, and that's how we set the KPI. And so for the TSR for relative TSR, if you can see the weight is 50%. And so yes, the TSR rather than the results TSR you might think that it's ideal that ROIC weight should be heavier or bigger. However, looking at the past 2 years, the ROIC target, unfortunately, has been lower than the WACC level. So it's been lower -- the standard of ROIC has been lower than the WACC level. And so that's due to the share being -- the share performance not being so great. And also in order to drive the share price, we have put a lot more weight on this, which may seem to make more sense in order to drive the share price as well. But to your point, we understand that point as well, and that's very clear. So I think that is something to your point, that's something that we will continue to consider.

    Unidentified Analyst

    Okay. Understood. Well, I hope it is -- it all becomes 100%, so that everybody gets paid at 100%. Thank you.

    Operator

    Thank you. This concludes the Q&A session. With this, we would like to conclude the briefing.

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